How do EMIs verify you're an actual citizen of a country?

[iloveyouguys]

I'm just thinking out loud. This is probably a bad idea but... want to ask your thoughts so I can understand how things work.
Steps:
1. Make up a name and ID
2. Use this for the photo: face mask that's realistic - بحث Google
3. Register a company. Pay for the costs with cash or anonymous credit card
4. Register with an EMI. Do business, take more risk for more reward and protect your reputation.
5. Create a new company with your real ID. Hire the new company from the old company to cash out to your personal accounts and live happily ever after for decades.

How do EMIs verify you're an actual citizen of a country? Do they have access to government's citizen data? Do they check if the pictures match? If yes, then the steps won't work because they may pull a `video-call us or else we take your money`. Unless you somehow copy their face onto a mask. They won't check your ID in person unless you're UHNW.

 

[hernanday]

I believe their TOS likely have some clause where they can verify your identity. Its not that your idea couldn't work, it is that once you get any significant sums of money flowing in that account they will freeze your account and demand more and more proof. So you use a fake driver's license, ok now they want to see your passport, utility bill, etc. I mean the idea seems smart until they send a copy of your fake driver's license to the bureau asking if this is legitimate. Then that is where you get caught.

They won't check your ID until you start sending significant amounts of money through.

A better idea would be to find some desperate for money dumbass or dirty bum drug addict and pay him a few hundred bucks to basically be the nominee director for your company where you are the manager controlling everything. He will be too stupid to figure where the account is, will likely come back to you for some more money.

I never understood why people resort to criminality like faking IDs, trying to hide offshore accounts, etc. when there are so many legal ways to beat taxation.

I live in a global city full of Chinese money launderers, you can't even buy a house on credit, or with a loan, you must first borrow the money then look for the house after, because Chinese criminals are buying literally every house on the market 200k over asking in duffle bags of cash. Who is going to take the risk with a financed buyer when a guy shows you $2million in a brief case?

You think these Chinese gang member guys worry about banking laws and money laundering rules and have fake IDs? They know they don't need a bank account to wash their money or cheat the system. They go to the casino, luxury car dealer (and I'm not talking like a $80k car like a Cadillac or Land Rover or Benz) but one that holds its value, they go to the art stores and buy the name brand artist and the persian rugs, they buy the top designer brands whose products don't depreciate overtime and yes they add real estate to that too.

There is no CRS, no Facta, no AML, when it comes to selling or buying house or land or really most assets not directly attached to the bank. This just proves all these banking laws are stupid, ineffective and were never intended to stop criminals. All these laws do is inconvenience the people who'd actually follow the law no matter what and catch the stupidest of stupidest low brow common criminals who I am certain are too stupid to get their hands on the amount of money necessary to launder money.

For instance, one would be harassed if they wire $10 milion USD. But if you buy $10 million USD barrels of oil and ship them, no one ask where did you get the money to buy that. No dealer/refiner will turn down this either if sold at a discount. You could buy yourself a full on coal mine, exaggerate your coal exports while shipping empty carts and claiming to be selling it to an oversea buyer in cash. They can't really disprove or prove this. Yet you'd have millions in cash.

It makes one wonder why even have all these rules regulating kyc, and aml, when it probably make it harder to catch the criminals doing money laundering.

end rant

 

[KJK]

For instance, one would be harassed if they wire $10 milion USD. But if you buy $10 million USD barrels of oil and ship them, no one ask where did you get the money to buy that. No dealer/refiner will turn down this either if sold at a discount. You could buy yourself a full on coal mine, exaggerate your coal exports while shipping empty carts and claiming to be selling it to an oversea buyer in cash. They can't really disprove or prove this. Yet you'd have millions in cash.

Some smart ideas here! And in the meanwhile here I am questioned by my bank about a $50 bitcoin purchase. They want to know why I buy it and what is my source of funds.

How do EMIs verify you're an actual citizen of a country? Do they have access to government's citizen data? Do they check if the pictures match?

Back to OP's question - if you're asking whether there is some "global database of citizens" or "global database of passports" then the answer is no. There isn't, at least yet. I believe until 1920s or something like that, there weren't even passports, you could just get on a train and go to another country without anyone knowing who you are.

By the way this fact can be also used by secret service - let's say the US secret service or Russian secret service needs to send some spy or secret agent or hitman to another country, so the secret service issues him a fake passport and send him to the destination. The country has no way of knowing whether that person was born.

Your idea is a bit funny and weird but I don't know, it may work... for smaller amounts at least.

 

[JohnLocke]

What you think about here can work but it requires a lot more then what you have listed. When I checked the work of some of the guys around here I thought it was too simple, but then I realized there are several missing links. I don't know how it is possible to work around the ID verification but I know it's possible.

If we forget what is missing in your listing, then yes that will work.

 

[traveller79]

Most EMIs I have signed up have been happy with photo of ID, so "doctored" one might work. However, increasind number of them want to have live video of your face, often performing some tricks on camera, so it will be your real face.

As far as I have understood, EMIs do not really care if you are a real citizen, even if your documents are real. What they want to do is to perform identity check to certain level, so they can claim they have done reasonable effort to identify you. If you have government issued fake passport (spy stuff) or very well faked after market one (I guess they are available for purchase somewhere), they cannot check.

However, as technology developes and new opportunities come to check identities, be prepared that they will be used. What worked before might not be enough in the future, even for old customers.

Most countries have credit registers which are open for everybody, at least financial institutions. What would be an easy additional way to confirm identities is to just pull credit history from the country where ID is issued. If it comes empty, chance of fake ID is quite high.. But I guess EMIs do not want to do this because it will cost something.

There are also global commercial registries were banks and other institutions share data of people, including criminal convictions, fraud etc. I have seen such raports of myself in some banks when I have been opening accounts, so at least some banks do check their future customers better..

 

[iloveyouguys]

So you use a fake driver's license, ok now they want to see your passport, utility bill, etc. I mean the idea seems smart until they send a copy of your fake driver's license to the bureau asking if this is legitimate. Then that is where you get caught.

They'll do that if you're a EU or US person. Would they do it with other countries?

They won't check your ID until you start sending significant amounts of money through.

What's significant?

A better idea would be to find some desperate for money dumbass or dirty bum drug addict and pay him a few hundred bucks to basically be the nominee director for your company where you are the manager controlling everything.

But what if they die or TW wants to see them?

there are so many legal ways to beat taxation.

Goal was to protect reputation and take more risk, as a starter.
If the company is registered in your real name, you can't take more risk because you worry about your reputation. What if you make a mistake and get banned from banking/EMI networks?

For instance, one would be harassed if they wire $10 milion USD. But if you buy $10 million USD barrels of oil and ship them, no one ask where did you get the money to buy that. No dealer/refiner will turn down this either if sold at a discount. You could buy yourself a full on coal mine, exaggerate your coal exports while shipping empty carts and claiming to be selling it to an oversea buyer in cash. They can't really disprove or prove this. Yet you'd have millions in cash.

Great points. Though, how do you get to $10mm in the first place? My goal is to setup an environment where I can take more risk to make money, while protecting my real identity in case s**t happens. Example: Running a company where all references are fabricated. Offering things I can't guarantee. Appearing as if I have dozens of employees. Starting with lies and slowly transitioning to the truth once money coming in.

 

[iloveyouguys]

Your idea is a bit funny and weird but I don't know, it may work... for smaller amounts at least.

What's smaller amount?

 

[iloveyouguys]

What you think about here can work but it requires a lot more then what you have listed. When I checked the work of some of the guys around here I thought it was too simple, but then I realized there are several missing links. I don't know how it is possible to work around the ID verification but I know it's possible.

If we forget what is missing in your listing, then yes that will work.

You sound very cryptic haha. At least give us an idea! What's listing? What is a missing link?

 

[Martin Everson]

Example: Running a company where all references are fabricated. Offering things I can't guarantee. Appearing as if I have dozens of employees. Starting with lies and slowly transitioning to the truth once money coming in.

Oh....so you mean like every single startup business does?

Reporter: Hows business going?
Owner: Wonderful couldn't be better we have such high demand
Reporter: How many have you sold?
Owner: I couldn't tell you we ran out of stock so quickly

P.S The reality - Owner sold the 1 pair of sunglasses he had in stock to his brother in law while posting fake reviews on Trustpilot. Even Trump allegedly fabricated being his own Media Spokesperson once upon a time.

 

[iloveyouguys]

Oh....so you mean like every single startup business does?

Reporter: Hows business going?
Owner: Wonderful couldn't be better we have such high demand
Reporter: How many have you sold?
Owner: I couldn't tell you we ran out of stock so quickly

P.S The reality - Owner sold the 1 pair of sunglasses he had in stock to his brother in law while posting fake reviews on Trustpilot. Even Trump allegedly fabricated being his own Media Spokesperson once upon a time.

I'm talking about more risk.

 

[hernanday]

Oh....so you mean like every single startup business does?

Reporter: Hows business going?
Owner: Wonderful couldn't be better we have such high demand
Reporter: How many have you sold?
Owner: I couldn't tell you we ran out of stock so quickly

P.S The reality - Owner sold the 1 pair of sunglasses he had in stock to his brother in law while posting fake reviews on Trustpilot. Even Trump allegedly fabricated being his own Media Spokesperson once upon a time.

LOL, Trump even lied about Trump tower sales everywhere, even well into the 2000s, he claimed to be 90% sold out when documents showed he was only 20-15% sold and 80% of the units sat vacant. The developers would not even sue him because they thought it would be bad luck for their building.

 

[hernanday]

They'll do that if you're a EU or US person. Would they do it with other countries?


What's significant?


But what if they die or TW wants to see them?


Goal was to protect reputation and take more risk, as a starter.
If the company is registered in your real name, you can't take more risk because you worry about your reputation. What if you make a mistake and get banned from banking/EMI networks?


Great points. Though, how do you get to $10mm in the first place? My goal is to setup an environment where I can take more risk to make money, while protecting my real identity in case s**t happens. Example: Running a company where all references are fabricated. Offering things I can't guarantee. Appearing as if I have dozens of employees. Starting with lies and slowly transitioning to the truth once money coming in.

1. Yes, once you start moving significant volume of funds.
2. It is completely subjective, a poster abover moved $50 and they upped their demands, if this was an emi, they'd demand more documentation. It can be $500, $50, $50,000, just depends on the compliance procedure of the bank. And any attempt that looks like structuring to stay below their amounts like send $50 a day will definitely be flagged.
3. If he dies which is likely, then it could be a benefit, if you are using the account for something nefarious, which clearly you are if you need fake ID, then the only person who can rat you out is dead. It means it is almost impossible for you to get caught, because now no one can snitch on you. The bank can only suspect your fony, but they can't prove it without a witness of somesort. If you have your documentation laid out correctly, they should not need to see him, push around to get a bank who will take signed documents instead of him being there physically, but if they do demand to see him it is usually, only when opening the account (1 time). After that you are home free. Also what is TW? There are court procedures to replace a dead director too (go to court, file a motion, bring death cert or proof he is dead).
4. I don't think people will care very much in the big world if the company fails regarding reputation, unless it is like a P**N website or strip club and even then. No one is caring about your reputation like that unless you are doing tens of millions in business. So long as they are separate companies, you should be fine.
5. That is what every start up and business I know does. I've worked 15 jobs in the past, every single one lied, exaggerated the number of workers, locations, references (said we have 100 clients but the clients were ex-clients, hated their guts, or had no business dealings with them they just had a coffee meeting or phone call). To make $10 million depends on the industry you are. and your location and skills.

 

[JohnSeed]

You won't get any problems to verify EMI's with darks. It's actually well possible if you take your time to learn about it fpr instant in the mentor group where you can find great starting points.

 

[iloveyouguys]

if you take your time to learn

Even if you make millions of turnover?

I assume you mean for low turnover, in that case, what's there to learn for example? Seems pretty simply to me.

If he dies which is likely, then it could be a benefit

How are you going to control the company if your puppet dies? It would belong to his next of kin.

 

[speedster]

Even if you make millions of turnover?

I assume you mean for low turnover, in that case, what's there to learn for example? Seems pretty simply to me.


How are you going to control the company if your puppet dies? It would belong to his next of kin.

Directors aren't owners

 

[JohnLocke]

I assume you mean for low turnover, in that case, what's there to learn for example? Seems pretty simply to me.

So you better learn before you proceed or you will learn it the hard way - sorry to say so

 

[AlexAlex]

You won't get any problems to verify EMI's with darks. It's actually well possible if you take your time to learn about it fpr instant in the mentor group where you can find great starting points.

Which useful EMI's can you verify with darks except TW, Advanced cash and epayments? (assuming that photoshopping his own face on the passport scan is not an option)

 

[ontherun]

Just saying that I really like the mindsets of the people who are commenting in this thread. Awesome.