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wojtem

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Ukraine is not a democracy. Ukraine is not Europe. All the brainwashed monkeys that wave Ukrainian flags are supporting a dangerous US puppet that is posing concrete risks to Europe.

I. What you do hear is warmongers arguing that we must protect Ukraine because it's a democracy. Ukraine isn't actually a democracy. For example: To hold on to power, Zelensky shut down the three TV stations that were openly criticizing him and his policies. Zelensky then fabricated a story that was reported in the Financial Times (2-3-21) claiming the stations were shut down because of spreading "Russian disinformation," framing it as a "national security risk."
II. Imprisoned the head of the opposition political party that had come in second place in their elections.
III. Arrested and jailed all of that party's leaders.

This is exactly what Putin has been accused of doing. But Ukraine did this all with the support of the U.S.
What kind of Russian **** propaganda here???
 

Cabin14

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Ukraine is not a democracy. Ukraine is not Europe. All the brainwashed monkeys that wave Ukrainian flags are supporting a dangerous US puppet that is posing concrete risks to Europe.

I. What you do hear is warmongers arguing that we must protect Ukraine because it's a democracy. Ukraine isn't actually a democracy. For example: To hold on to power, Zelensky shut down the three TV stations that were openly criticizing him and his policies. Zelensky then fabricated a story that was reported in the Financial Times (2-3-21) claiming the stations were shut down because of spreading "Russian disinformation," framing it as a "national security risk."
II. Imprisoned the head of the opposition political party that had come in second place in their elections.
III. Arrested and jailed all of that party's leaders.

This is exactly what Putin has been accused of doing. But Ukraine did this all with the support of the U.S.
Well aren't you just the little Putin puppet.
 

Golden Fleece

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Well said.

People are falling into a trap of picking sides when in fact the mischief maker here is the US. Ukraine, Russia and EU do not benefit from this war. Only US military companies benefit from this war. It is a very easy cash grab for US arms companies as NATO members will increase their spending on them.
"Ukraine, Russia and EU do not benefit from this war."

If Russia does not benefit from this war, then the only explanation for the war is naked Russian aggression, which -- as a matter of history -- has always been the case. Thank you for clarifying. It needed to be said.
 

Martin Everson

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If Russia does not benefit from this war, then the only explanation for the war is naked Russian aggression, which -- as a matter of history -- has always been the case. Thank you for clarifying. It needed to be said.

Wrong. The US alone benefits from this war. Thought you was smart enough to work that out.
 

RealDude

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Wrong. The US alone benefits from this war. Thought you was smart enough to work that out.

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ih8socialism

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I would argue China has even more to gain. Now Russia is on sale, and very few are allowed to buy. Recent news China enters Gazprom capital. Plus, they gain insight for how to engineer their own operations and bypass US retaliation.
+ China is eyeing siberia for a long long time, so now they can get resources with a very big discount.
 

Martin Everson

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But then why is Russia attacking Ukraine if they don't benefit from this war?

Because Russia was caught between a rock and hard place.

I would argue China has even more to gain. Now Russia is on sale, and very few are allowed to buy. Recent news China enters Gazprom capital. Plus, they gain insight for how to engineer their own operations and bypass US retaliation.

China will gain very little from this actually. For China its an exercise in watching what awaits them from EU and US when they eventually re-unify their rogue province of Taiwan.

All the gains from this conflict go to US arms companies.

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JohnnyDoe

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What kind of Russian **** propaganda here???
Wake up. The American criminals (not the American people) are using Europe, and the Baltic states in particular, as a doormat. Only them and their EU buddies are profiting from this situation.
Americans will pay $10/per gallon of gas for some mythical benefit to the "Ukrainian people" (read, a puppet regime), while the immediate neighbors of the conflict are fresh out of fucks.

Watch this:

 

Golden Fleece

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The small print on the bottom of that graphic clearly states "Global Times," which is one of the least trustworthy information sources on the planet. "The Global Times is a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's flagship People's Daily newspaper."

Why do you continue to cite communist and socialist "news" sources? Why would you even bother to read such pabulum? It is literally propaganda from the Communist Party of China.

I do give you credit for at least citing your sources, unreliable as they might be. Many here do not even do that.
 

kkein

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And, by the way: Russia reveals evidence of U.S.-funded bio-program in Ukraine

Same news in western media is reported as "cospiracy theory", "claims" etc..

Should this be confirmed, would actually be a great side effect of this invasion. might as well save us from next covid..

Funny that according to bloomberg it's still cospiracy theory.
Ah, the free media of the west!
I wonder why they haven't yet seized youtube and google news, though.. Stuff leaks through those channels

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I also found US looks to keep Ukrainian 'biological research facilities' from Russian control , but can't find the source.
In the meanwhile yahoo! news just called it "debunked cospiracy theory"

And also this

With an extract of the discussion in the senate
 
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Martin Everson

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The small print on the bottom of that graphic clearly states "Global Times," which is one of the least trustworthy information sources on the planet. "The Global Times is a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's flagship People's Daily newspaper."

Why do you continue to cite communist and socialist "news" sources? Why would you even bother to read such pabulum? It is literally propaganda from the Communist Party of China.

Maybe you want to explain what fact is wrong rather than shoot the messenger. I really hope didn't think western media would publish something like that which is against western interests :rolleyes:.
 
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