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Jade33

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Considering the madness going on in the world and restrictions that apply being in an apartment just doesn't tickle my sense of freedom....
So I have been looking at buying a property abroad (EU) that I could go to for holidays, or pack up my car and drive to if necessary (worst case scenario escape ;) )
One is in spain valencia, one is in the north of italy and one is in bulgaria veliko area
They are quite rural, cheap and have a lot of land!
it are strange times and I have a major economic concern for the coming years with these massive debts governments are creating.
what new limiting regulations, taxes will they come up with, so this influences the choice of country
So far bg has been the least restrictive.
What input do you guys have on this?
For sure it's a buyers market as people are selling off their airbnb and holiday homes but is it a good bet to hop in?
 

JackAlabama

Entrepreneur
Considering the madness going on in the world and restrictions that apply being in an apartment just doesn't tickle my sense of freedom....
So I have been looking at buying a property abroad (EU) that I could go to for holidays, or pack up my car and drive to if necessary (worst case scenario escape ;) )
One is in spain valencia, one is in the north of italy and one is in bulgaria veliko area
They are quite rural, cheap and have a lot of land!
it are strange times and I have a major economic concern for the coming years with these massive debts governments are creating.
what new limiting regulations, taxes will they come up with, so this influences the choice of country
So far bg has been the least restrictive.
What input do you guys have on this?
For sure it's a buyers market as people are selling off their airbnb and holiday homes but is it a good bet to hop in?

Making the same plans.
Forget about EU, they are ground 0. Especially if your out of it already.
Spain has been very bad and very draconian. (Source: Have / had investment there and also friends.)
I would rate Spain over Italy however. It is easier to handle and less corrupt. Maybe you also find an option to be off-books as foreigner with leasing land from a trusted local or company or smth along the line.
Furthermore, I would just get something cheap you can just walk away from. They sure love to jack up tax of foreigners being found on the books.
 

kkein

Active Member
Considering the madness going on in the world and restrictions that apply being in an apartment just doesn't tickle my sense of freedom....
So I have been looking at buying a property abroad (EU) that I could go to for holidays, or pack up my car and drive to if necessary (worst case scenario escape ;) )
One is in spain valencia, one is in the north of italy and one is in bulgaria veliko area
They are quite rural, cheap and have a lot of land!
it are strange times and I have a major economic concern for the coming years with these massive debts governments are creating.
what new limiting regulations, taxes will they come up with, so this influences the choice of country
So far bg has been the least restrictive.
What input do you guys have on this?
For sure it's a buyers market as people are selling off their airbnb and holiday homes but is it a good bet to hop in?
The problem with what you are looking at is that they are not very appealing properties.
They would have extremely hard time to sell AND to resell.
You would also have extremely hard times to rent them, and if they are rural, maybe also to use them?
If you just need to be out in the middle of nowhere, then maybe sweden? If you aren't locking at stockholm, it should be pretty cheap
 

kkein

Active Member
The problem with what you are looking at is that they are not very appealing properties.
They would have extremely hard time to sell AND to resell.
You would also have extremely hard times to rent them, and if they are rural, maybe also to use them?
If you just need to be out in the middle of nowhere, then maybe sweden? If you aren't locking at stockholm, it should be pretty cheap
I'd generally recommend to choose a dynamic market. Afaik neither spain nor italy are. Northern europe and UK are definitely more dynamic
 

JackAlabama

Entrepreneur
I'd generally recommend to choose a dynamic market. Afaik neither spain nor italy are. Northern europe and UK are definitely more dynamic
these two are almost communist hellholes. you cannot go without local help. if you figure out the local help part, it is easy.
 

Konstanz

Active Member
Don't rush. This covid madness will end. It will be very hard to sell these properties in the future.
This covid situation is temporary 1-3 years..~
 

JackAlabama

Entrepreneur
Don't rush. This covid madness will end. It will be very hard to sell these properties in the future.
This covid situation is temporary 1-3 years..~
Well, there is more massive sht to come. Civil unrest, maybe hunger, supply chain breaks, state surveillance etc.
if you can live in such a way, I would go for it. You can still buy a small flat in a big city like HK or other and enjoy the party.
 

Jade33

New member
well they call this pandemic unprecedented but the new regulations being rolled out are also unprecedented.
The idea would not be to sell in 5-10 years.
But we cannot foresee the coming years, it doesn't look gloomy with fingerprint id, vaccin passport access, trillions of debt
the money will need to come from somewhere....
perhaps one could be more self sufficient on land in BG then coastal spain area....
I would regret being stuck in a foreign country that pulls out draconian measures of control
the new offshore will be outer space watch it!
 

JackAlabama

Entrepreneur
well they call this pandemic unprecedented but the new regulations being rolled out are also unprecedented.
The idea would not be to sell in 5-10 years.
But we cannot foresee the coming years, it doesn't look gloomy with fingerprint id, vaccin passport access, trillions of debt
the money will need to come from somewhere....
perhaps one could be more self sufficient on land in BG then coastal spain area....
I would regret being stuck in a foreign country that pulls out draconian measures of control
the new offshore will be outer space watch it!
It looks pretty bad. and the new regulations discussed are just evil madness.
The key is to find that place which does not pull out draconian measures and where you have a small tribe of people to bond with.
 

kkein

Active Member
well they call this pandemic unprecedented but the new regulations being rolled out are also unprecedented.
The idea would not be to sell in 5-10 years.
But we cannot foresee the coming years, it doesn't look gloomy with fingerprint id, vaccin passport access, trillions of debt
the money will need to come from somewhere....
perhaps one could be more self sufficient on land in BG then coastal spain area....
I would regret being stuck in a foreign country that pulls out draconian measures of control
the new offshore will be outer space watch it!
If you don't want to sell, don't buy a cheap one :cool:
 

Jade33

New member
If you don't want to sell, don't buy a cheap one :cool:
why? Having hundred thousands stuck in real estate that you can't flip quickly is a liability.
that's why people stay stuck, in debt. it's all they got and still own nothing.
abandon a 20k property or a 200k property...
in general circumstances we don't think this way but when they are out to enforce things you don't agree with....
 

JackAlabama

Entrepreneur
why? Having hundred thousands stuck in real estate that you can't flip quickly is a liability.
that's why people stay stuck, in debt. it's all they got and still own nothing.
abandon a 20k property or a 200k property...
in general circumstances we don't think this way but when they are out to enforce things you don't agree with....
A good point. With a 20k property, you can just go on a very long vacation until the dust there has settled without looking back.
 

kkein

Active Member
A good point. With a 20k property, you can just go on a very long vacation until the dust there has settled without looking back.
a 20k property is hardly one where you can even live, unless you get it in the middle of russian nowhere or something..
 

Lazzersan

New member
It's very cool to have your own home, especially during the quarantine period. But if you rely on that you will run there during periods of a pandemic or other cases, then you need to take into account that the borders may be closed, and it is better to consider the site somewhere near your permanent place of residence.
 
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