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I'm looking for a cross-border tax specialist to assist us with a complex situation.

We're Hong Kong residents with a BVI company, but we also own majority shares in properties in Las Palmas, Spain. The properties are intended for sale, and we have been informed that we must obtain an NIE to sell them.

Given that we maintain assets and accounts mainly in Hong Kong, Singapore and BVI, we are concerned about potential implications on our tax status from acquiring an NIE.

Does anyone have recommendations for a tax specialist/accountant with cross-border experience in both Hong Kong and Spain? Both Google and ChatGPT search haven't turned up anything.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
As with all real estate related matters, you are normally liable to taxation at the place of the real estate. In this case, you will have to obtain an NIE and then declare and pay taxes in Spain.

You can read the DTA here
https://www.elegislation.gov.hk/hk/cap112BX!en
and then check article 13, which states that the capital gains from the sale of the immovable property are taxable in Spain. Article 6 pertains to income from the real estate (rent, agricultural products).

You therefore need to declare the profits in Spain and pay taxes on it. On the Hong Kong side, the capital gains will the be tax-exempt, I think you need to declare it on field 10.4 of Form BIR 51 (Tax adjustment, profits from sale of capital assets (other than landed properties in Hong Kong) excluded from the Assessable Profits or Adjusted Loss).

My advice would be to consult with your auditor in Hong Kong on the treatment in Hong Kong to get this proper in advance.

You could for example hire those
https://www.cfnlaw.com.hk/en/team-single.php?conid=146&id=4
https://www.spanish-chamber.com.hk/directory-details?recordId=recKVaQycie9zCl17
https://www.spanish-chamber.com.hk/directory-details?recordId=recyNWz8jBNBT81CS
 
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As with all real estate related matters, you are normally liable to taxation at the place of the real estate. In this case, you will have to obtain an NIE and then declare and pay taxes in Spain.
Thanks, I appreciate the quick reply. We're looking for what the potential ramifications of obtaining this NIE might be e.g. will it affect our Hong Kong tax status, will we be liable for Spanish taxes on other global assets long-term.

We also own 98% of the properties, with the other 2% held my family members who are Spanish citizens. We're seeking a way to transfer our 98% to them without having to obtain the NIE, if that's even possible.
 
As with all real estate related matters, you are normally liable to taxation at the place of the real estate. In this case, you will have to obtain an NIE and then declare and pay taxes in Spain.

You can read the DTA here
https://www.elegislation.gov.hk/hk/cap112BX!en
and then check article 13, which states that the capital gains from the sale of the immovable property are taxable in Spain. Article 6 pertains to income from the real estate (rent, agricultural products).

You therefore need to declare the profits in Spain and pay taxes on it. On the Hong Kong side, the capital gains will the be tax-exempt, I think you need to declare it on field 10.4 of Form BIR 51 (Tax adjustment, profits from sale of capital assets (other than landed properties in Hong Kong) excluded from the Assessable Profits or Adjusted Loss).

My advice would be to consult with your auditor in Hong Kong on the treatment in Hong Kong to get this proper in advance.

You could for example hire those
https://www.cfnlaw.com.hk/en/team-single.php?conid=146&id=4
https://www.spanish-chamber.com.hk/directory-details?recordId=recKVaQycie9zCl17
https://www.spanish-chamber.com.hk/directory-details?recordId=recyNWz8jBNBT81CS

Thanks for your updated reply, it's much appreciated. Will reach out to the links!

If anyone else has any recommendations, would greatly appreciate them.
 
Thanks, I appreciate the quick reply. We're looking for what the potential ramifications of obtaining this NIE might be e.g. will it affect our Hong Kong tax status, will we be liable for Spanish taxes on other global assets long-term.
Unless you have a permanent establishment in Spain, generally no. Especially as real estate is always taxed where it stands.

We also own 98% of the properties, with the other 2% held my family members who are Spanish citizens. We're seeking a way to transfer our 98% to them without having to obtain the NIE, if that's even possible.
You can find the law here:
https://sede.agenciatributaria.gob....-especificas-sobre-tributacion-inmuebles.html

After looking, I think there are plenty of Spanish guys helping with filing Form 210. I would probably just contact one of them, they charge 150 EUR to file it.
https://www.iberiantax.com/blog/7-t...-know-about-taxes-on-a-property-sale-in-spain
 
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I'm looking for a cross-border tax specialist to assist us with a complex situation.

We're Hong Kong residents with a BVI company, but we also own majority shares in properties in Las Palmas, Spain. The properties are intended for sale, and we have been informed that we must obtain an NIE to sell them.

Given that we maintain assets and accounts mainly in Hong Kong, Singapore and BVI, we are concerned about potential implications on our tax status from acquiring an NIE.

Does anyone have recommendations for a tax specialist/accountant with cross-border experience in both Hong Kong and Spain? Both Google and ChatGPT search haven't turned up anything.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Be VERY CAREFUL because one of the criteria for becoming a tax resident in Spain

[Article 9, point 2 of the Personal Income Tax Law ,> https://sede.agenciatributaria.gob....s/residencia-habitual-territorio-espanol.html

'That the main core or base of its activities or economic interests is located in Spain, directly or indirectly '

'The tax residence of a natural person is not only determined based on the first criterion of permanence (more than 183 days), but the taxpayer may also be considered a tax resident in Spain if he or she has in this country, directly or indirectly, the main core or base of his or her economic activities or interests.']

is that Spain is your "centre of economic interests." To counter this point in case of a dispute, the Spanish tax authorities (Hacienda) will require you to demonstrate that you have a greater centre of economic interests in the country where you claim to be a tax resident (a combination of countries isn't valid).

The reason tie-breaker rules are even considered is because an OECD tax treaty exists between the UK and Spain. For Hong Kong, it appears there's also something in place, which you can find more information about here:
https://sede.agenciatributaria.gob....s-doble-imposicion-firmados-espana/china.html

There's a specific case involving a Spanish citizen (currently in dispute) that illustrates this: this individual lived in the UK but owned Airbnb(*) properties in Spain. As a result, they were deemed a tax resident in both countries. The first tie-breaker rule is the availability of a permanent home. Obviously, they had one in the UK, and Hacienda interpreted that they also had one in Spain because their Airbnb properties were vacant on certain days of the year, making them available for his use.
This led to the next rule: the centre of economic interests. Here, given that the individual's assets and income originated from Spain, Hacienda informed them that they must pay taxes on all their worldwide income in Spain, along with penalties and surcharges.
(*)If the properties had been under long-term leases instead, Hacienda wouldn't have been able to use that criterion. In that scenario, based on the first tie-breaker rule (permanent home available), the individual would have been a tax resident in the UK.

As a general idea, though I'm not a tax expert: selling properties directly in La Palma isn't the same as wrapping those assets in a foreign corporation and then selling the foreign corporation. If possible, consider the latter to avoid having economic activity directly in Spain.I'd try to avoid getting any id card in spain , especially if your assets in Hong Kong don't outweigh those in Spain.
The best-case scenario is that you'd only have to pay non-resident tax, which I believe is around 28% on capital gains. If you indeed do have more assets in HK then you only pay the non resident tax and are safe. If you don't have more assets in Hong Kong than in Spain and the treaty is based on OECD rules (if a treaty exists, it almost certainly implements OECD rules), the first tie-breaker rule is permanent home available. You'd need to have a home at your disposal in Hong Kong, with utility bills and so on, and not in Spain. From what you've said, I understand you own a percentage of the properties, not the full ownership, which might allow you to escape the "at your disposal" criterion.

Regarding tax specialists, Cuatrecasas is a highly regarded law firm in Spain for tax matters (this is not an endorsement).

General Comment on Avoiding Tax Issues in Spain
It's crucial not to have a permanent home available in Spain, as this is the first tie-breaker rule. This was the trick used by the brother of the Spanish Prime Minister: despite being a civil servant in Spain, working in Spain, and owning properties rented out long-term in Spain, he slept in Portugal. Portugal considers you a tax resident simply for having a permanent home available. Therefore, he was a tax resident in both Portugal and Spain, and by the first tie-breaker rule, Portugal won.
 
I'm looking for a cross-border tax specialist to assist us with a complex situation.

We're Hong Kong residents with a BVI company, but we also own majority shares in properties in Las Palmas, Spain. The properties are intended for sale, and we have been informed that we must obtain an NIE to sell them.

Given that we maintain assets and accounts mainly in Hong Kong, Singapore and BVI, we are concerned about potential implications on our tax status from acquiring an NIE.

Does anyone have recommendations for a tax specialist/accountant with cross-border experience in both Hong Kong and Spain? Both Google and ChatGPT search haven't turned up anything.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
nah no issues. i have a nie since almost a decade and never had any request nor problem arising from this. Just dont be there too much or be a gypsy if you do.
how did you buy these things without nie tho? afaik its only possible to buy thru special arrangement without it.
 
Be VERY CAREFUL because one of the criteria for becoming a tax resident in Spain
nah no issues. i have a nie since almost a decade and never had any request nor problem arising from this. Just dont be there too much or be a gypsy if you do.
I think we are talking about a BVI company which is registered as foreign company in Hong Kong and taxable and managed in Hong Kong. Also, for real estate, the taxation is very, very clear and leaves exactly zero room of interpretation. All rental and disposal gains are taxable where your real estate is built. There indeed are houses built on borders, but that left aside, there is only one place you can pay tax.

I guess the whole setup was crooked from beginning with the 2% belonging to some friends on a personal level. Probably they are the documented owner and also paid taxes on any rental gains? Only OP knows. But I guess if he was able to hold it for that long without any troubles, he may as well be able to get out of it the same way and all is billed on his friend?
 
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I think we are talking about a BVI company which is registered as foreign company in Hong Kong and taxable and managed in Hong Kong. Also, for real estate, the taxation is very, very clear and leaves exactly zero room of interpretation. All rental and disposal gains are taxable where your real estate is built. There indeed are houses built on borders, but that left aside, there is only one place you can pay tax.

I guess the whole setup was crooked from beginning with the 2% belonging to some friends on a personal level. Probably they are the documented owner and also paid taxes on any rental gains? Only OP knows. But I guess if he was able to hold it for that long without any troubles, he may as well be able to get out of it the same way and all is billed on his friend?

You've basically figured it all out - bit of a shady deal we're now trying to extricate ourselves from. Glad to know the tax is only applicable where the real estate is built, and anywhere else though.

Thanks for everyone's responses here! Seems like NIE is inescapable, I've reached out to all the lawyers recommended in the replies as well, and the few that have already gotten back to me have said the same. I'll be retaining one to deal with all the hassle surrounding this.

Again, very much appreciate all the helpful responses - this community is great!
 
I think we are talking about a BVI company which is registered as foreign company in Hong Kong and taxable and managed in Hong Kong. Also, for real estate, the taxation is very, very clear and leaves exactly zero room of interpretation. All rental and disposal gains are taxable where your real estate is built. There indeed are houses built on borders, but that left aside, there is only one place you can pay tax.

I guess the whole setup was crooked from beginning with the 2% belonging to some friends on a personal level. Probably they are the documented owner and also paid taxes on any rental gains? Only OP knows. But I guess if he was able to hold it for that long without any troubles, he may as well be able to get out of it the same way and all is billed on his friend?
In that case, the situation is more delicate because Spain considers the BVI a tax haven, and there is no DTA. Before selling the properties, I would try to have them under a long-term rental agreement with someone trustworthy. Additionally, you could consider becoming a tax resident in a country that has a DTA with Spain, such as Cyprus, which is an EU country where it's relatively easy to obtain tax residency. Then, after waiting at least one fiscal year, you could sell all the assets in Spain.
 
In that case, the situation is more delicate because Spain considers the BVI a tax haven, and there is no DTA. Before selling the properties, I would try to have them under a long-term rental agreement with someone trustworthy. Additionally, you could consider becoming a tax resident in a country that has a DTA with Spain, such as Cyprus, which is an EU country where it's relatively easy to obtain tax residency. Then, after waiting at least one fiscal year, you could sell all the assets in Spain.
He either has two problems or none:

We're Hong Kong residents with a BVI company
If what he writes is correct, he needs to register his BVI company as foreign company in Hong Kong and it then essentially becomes a Hong Kong company without audit requirements. It would then actually be a Hong Kong company. If he did not register, yes, he is in deep troubles as what you state is correct, see the link I posted earlier.
https://sede.agenciatributaria.gob....-especificas-sobre-tributacion-inmuebles.html