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bizman

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If this doesn't hit the nail on the head, I don't know what does!


Two patients limp into two different medical clinics with the same complaint. Both have trouble walking and appear to require a hip replacement.


The FIRST patient is examined within the hour, is x-rayed the same day and has a time booked for surgery the following week.


The SECOND sees his family doctor after waiting 3 weeks for an appointment, then waits 8 weeks to see a specialist, then gets an x-ray, which isn't reviewed for another week


And finally has his surgery scheduled for a month from then. why the different treatment for the two patients?
 

pluma

Corporate Services
Business Angel
true - but that's what you get when you pay directly for medical care out of your own wallet. there's absolutely no way a socialized public 'free' healthcare system can provide top notch healthcare to everybody in every situation, that's a resources issue, then there's the bureaucracy and politics involved that fuck up a national healthcare system - you'd be paying 80% in income tax to have the national healthcare system people want.


got the cash - you can go to a private hospital and get the same treatment the golden retriever gets.
 

bizman

Corporate Services
Last year we had to rush one of our cats to the local vet after we discovered she'd turned jaundiced overnight. Kidney and liver failure. During the first visit, the vet gave her a saline injection to re-hydrate and stabilize her (she'd been throwing up all night). She sent us home with the cat for a final good-bye with the family.


Initial cost - $280 (diagnosis and saline - took about 20 mins.)


The next day we returned to the vet to have her put down and cremated.


Additional cost $300.


In total - the vet put in approx. one hour labour.


We paid $580 cash and received some ashes.
 

drillbill

Offshore Agent
Entrepreneur
healthcare in all socialized medicine countries is RATIONED, some people just don't know it. three people died in a middle class suburb of Toronto in the waiting room recently, strokes and heart attacks, with chances to survive BUT they received NO TREATMENT - the hospital was incapable of providing treatment at the time. that story is repeated over and over. Doctors know it - they don't want to be alarming their patients though - so when a newly diagnosed cancer patient is told it will be 6 weeks to wait for surgery or some other type of treatment they don't tell the patient it could affect their outcome. people die on waiting lists.


you can't offer top notch medical treatment to 33 million people for 'free' - you need to go through a medical crisis to see the major flaws in the system - system works great for women having babies, broken bones, and the rest of the garden variety of ailments people get - it's when you need the best medicine can give you or a loved one that you see things aren't right. it's like playing a roulette wheel - some people get great state of the art medical care, things align right for them, and their location has a big deal to do with it.


socialized healthcare works for the working poor, the unemployed, people with pre-existing conditions, young people - but if you're able to spend 3-4K on medical insurance a year you're going to get better medical care in the US system.
 

crimson

Offshore Agent
This situation is very sad but it really happens. If you don't have the money there is no immediate attention especially in the third world countries which is very common.
 

Mockingbird

Offshore Agent
drillbill said:
socialized healthcare works for the working poor, the unemployed, people with pre-existing conditions, young people - but if you're able to spend 3-4K on medical insurance a year you're going to get better medical care in the US system.
Actually medical insurance in the U.S costs can cost a family as much as


$10K a year, single coverage upwards of $4-6K and those are plns with ridiculous high deductables. I pay $4K for a single plan with a $1500 deductable and co-pays. And guess what I still wait to get care. Only peace of mind is expensive procedures are usually covered, well that is till I hit the max coverage ceiling which I think is $200K. How much you think a major surgery runs? I think it can exceed $200K easy.


Medial industry greed, thats the reasons this is all out of contro in the US
 

wildy

Offshore Agent
Different country but better care.


I pay about 3600 USD per year for medical care and I have the better part of it, if I read your posting.


So living in Europe seems to be healthier than in USA.
 
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