taxation of gambling in Spain

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Does anyone have practical experience with gambling in Spain (poker, casino, sports betting)? I'm particularly interested in taxation of both gambling operators and the customers (gamblers).
Thanks

 

[Sir Gelato]

Well, taxes in Spain are quite high... So I do not recomend to register you business there, also, getting liscenses and other type of permissions can be a nightmare . Most of the online Casinos that operate in the spanish market are registered in Gibraltar. Check out the liscense of Codere and where is registered.

 

[void]

taxes in Spain are quite high

maybe you could share precise numbers instead of making conclusions...
thanks anyway

 

[Sir Gelato]

Yes, I agree with you but I don't know exactly the % of taxes and prices. I don't want to fool you

 

[void]

it depends ...you have to include it in your IRPF so from a 19% to a 45%

so basically you're saying that it's like any other income and you have to pay tax from it even if you risk your already taxed money?
if one has no other income in Spain which rate it would be?

is it applied to the net profit (winning minus loses)? nothing else makes sense actually, so just to confirm

what if one isn't a tax resident in Spain but makes some money in casino or betting sports while being in Spain on holiday?

thanks

 

[OTR365]

Winnings from casinos, betting shops etc. registered in European Economic Area are tax free. This is granted in the European Community Article 49; "Free movement of persons, services and capital".

There are several court judgements in support of that, but with quick googling I could find only this: A Finnish woman won in a Swedish lottery, and later won her case against a greedy taxman. The gambling operator needs to pay taxes in the country it is registered in. Customers do not pay any tax on their winnings,

 

[void]

Winnings from casinos, betting shops etc. registered in European Economic Area are tax free. This is granted in the European Community Article 49; "Free movement of persons, services and capital".

Speaking about casinos and sports betting this is not true for example in France or Latvia.
In many countries winnings from Lotteries are not tax free.

And yes, it's difficult to find relevant information one can rely on.

 

[void]

If you aren't tax resident not problem,then you should pay taxes in your country....if gambling earning are tax free there then you shouldn't have to pay any taxes

I'm really not sure about that - you can find several stories like this https://www.cardschat.com/news/span...ooking-to-collect-from-eu-poker-players-69795

 

[OTR365]

Ok, I was clearly embarrassingly wrong. I really thought gambling winnings are tax free all over Europe, as Art. 49 is often invoked in this case. Every day, learn something new.

I wonder how these tax rules would fare if challenged in a EU court. Especially Latvia seems to exclude winnings from their own state gambling operator, but tax winnings from other licenced operators.

 

[void]

you can read that were old laws....when that was unregulated

I know about that - my point was that Spanish tax authorities can be obviously pretty aggressive and I haven't found any reliable source that clears things up for me enough - it's simply chaos

say I'd rent a flat in Spain, get NIE, get registered on the address at the police
going to casinos or betting online on Spanish sites while spending only a few months during the year in Spain and being still a tax resident of another EU country I'm still not sure if the winnings are safe

 

[void]

You shouldn't register your address in the police,go to the town hall instead....But I think you don't need a NIE if you wanna stay here some months.....If you wanna live here for a long time and for example start a business yeah but if you only wanna pass some months as a turist and go to casinos and stuff you don't need that and not even have your gambling money taxed lmao.....seems like you wanna overcomplicate everything;

thanks for your input, it's really welcome, however I'm not thinking that complex without a good reason
it's not about me personally - more people involved
we need an access to several Spanish services in gambling industry that require NIE and local address for registration (which requires a supportive documentation, etc.)
also all that bother is not for winning 1k in roulette in some resort casino on the coast - that's why I need to understand the related taxation matters

If you can understand Spanish well I can send you some pages that could be useful for all you want....
That's my point of view as a spaniard

my Spanish is pretty bad but I'd be grateful for any relevant resources your can provide

 

[Sir Gelato]

Okay I will PM you with some stuff

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You shouldn't register your address in the police,go to the town hall instead....But I think you don't need a NIE if you wanna stay here some months.....If you wanna live here for a long time and for example start a business yeah but if you only wanna pass some months as a turist and go to casinos and stuff you don't need that and not even have your gambling money taxed lmao.....seems like you wanna overcomplicate everything; If you can understand Spanish well I can send you some pages that could be useful for all you want....
That's my point of view as a spaniard

Tio no me digas que no cabe duda de que si

You shouldn't register your address in the police,go to the town hall instead....But I think you don't need a NIE if you wanna stay here some months.....If you wanna live here for a long time and for example start a business yeah but if you only wanna pass some months as a turist and go to casinos and stuff you don't need that and not even have your gambling money taxed lmao.....seems like you wanna overcomplicate everything; If you can understand Spanish well I can send you some pages that could be useful for all you want....
That's my point of view as a spaniard

Non related with the post, ¿but are you spanish?
Well your nickname is Cetme, the gun used in la mili years ago. So it makes me think.

 

[Sir Gelato]

Tiene que ir a empadronarse al ayuntamiento....que es a lo que se refiere.... Y sobre los impuestos y le dije que tributa por IRPF según tengo entendido
Si ,soy Español

Ya lo he entendido, resulta una coincidencia tener a un paisano en el foro, te puedo preguntar de que parte eres?