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Reading the post you reacted to I thought you two could finally share something in common.... not the case again
American federalism is degenerated and now largely only on paper.Reading the post you reacted to I thought you two could finally share something in common.... not the case again
As I already explained, that is simply not true. The various states were almost like two different countries during the pandemic. The liberal ones were quite strict, while the conservative ones were libertarian.
Even at the very height of the pandemic, in March and April 2020, seven states had no stay at home orders. Many more loosened their restrictions soon after, when they compiled more health data. That simply could not happen if federalism was dead and the federal government had free reign.
https://ballotpedia.org/States_that..._to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020
everything I can see around is degenerated... nevertheless I'm constantly told I'm the twisted mind here
https://www.amazon.it/Federalismi-falsi-degenerati-Gianfranco-Miglio/dp/8820024012
Gianfranco Miglio was one of the greatest academics of the past century. Unfortunately most of his books have not yet been translated into English.
Considerations about federalism go beyond some stupid mask mandates.
Learn to apply logic. If federalism was not alive and well in the U.S., then all fifty U.S. states would have had the same policies regarding masks, lockdowns, vaccine mandates, and mandate firings. That did not happen.
The American Union (of individual States) was designed as an incubator of ideas, where different laws would be enacted or rejected based on the desires of the residents of each state. The exceptions being where liberties are protected in the Bill of Rights, where the individual States could tread only with caution.
Yes, federalism has waned somewhat with a bigger federal government, but federalism is far from dead in the U.S. The U.S. is still its most shining example of success (with a nod to the Cantons of Switzerland).
Well, then produce the "studies" -- rather than just running your mouth. Back up your claims.Thank you for debunking in 3 quick paragraphs 200+ years of academic studies
Now that you mention it, considering the absence of any logic or facts in your prior statements, I now hang my head in deep and abiding shame that it actually took me three paragraphs to refute your contentions.Thank you for debunking in 3 quick paragraphs 200+ years of academic studies
It should have only taken a sentence or two.
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This is an English language forum. So, I will take that as an admission that you concede the point.
As usual, you showed no use of logic, reasoning, facts, truth, evidence, or proof.
As I already wrote, unfortunately this book is not translated, but any serious academic knows Gianfranco Miglio and his studies. This is not the appropriate place to discuss political science so I referred to literature that can argument much better than I do the fact that federalism of the USA is degenerated. Certainly this has nothing to do with masks mandates or other mundane facts and is apparent to everyone who has an interest in political science.
As usual, you seek to change your original argument. You now claim that the "federalism of the USA is degenerated." There is no question that federalism in the U.S. has deteriorated since the founding of the Republic.
But that is not what you originally claimed. Your original claim was that "American federalism is degenerated and now largely only on paper." (Post #33) That is patently false -- and easily disproved by the fact that all fifty states created different rules during the pandemic.
Political control by the individual States (versus political control by a central government) is the very essence of federalism, where a central government has only certain limited powers while the state is the basic unit of political power. So, your original point, that federalism now exists in the U.S. "largely only on paper" is utterly discredited and thoroughly debunked by the fact that the individual States continue to make their own decisions in most spheres of life -- including pandemic policy.
This discussion is pertinent to the topic of this thread because anyone who has legal residency in the U.S. -- and who wants to avoid future pandemic nonsense -- can simply move to one of the many individual States that refuse to treat their residents like mindless children.
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Fortunately science is not a democracy. You evidently have no clue of what federalism is but you are free to believe what you like.
FYI, there are examples of non federal states where rules varied within their territories, in different regions or provinces.
We are discussing the United States. So, no need to make foolish arguments based on other countries.
I do not believe what I like. I believe in the truth, based on facts, evidence, and established proof.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/federalism
So, you now believe that you know more about U.S. constitutional law than one of the leading law schools in the United States. A very basic and elemental level of constitutional law, I might add. You are truly one seriously deluded individual.Wow today Google university makes everyone a scientist
So, no need to up the dosage of your prescription for Delusionol. Unfortunately, like many other prescription drugs passed out in the tens of millions, Delusionol is highly addictive. Once you experience the "high" of believing your own BS, it's almost impossible to return to reality. You have now clearly reached that point.
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