Fleeing a NATO vs. Russia conflict

Belfort · Mar 22, 2024

There was a terrorist attack on Moscow today, and the Russians seem to be wanting to blame it on the Ukrainians so they can further escalate their operations in Ukraine. A WW3 scenario becomes more and more real, and I'm left wondering what the best course of action would be for someone in a NATO country.

In case of NATO involvement, would you stay in the EU? Where would you flee to and why?

John Spectre · Mar 22, 2024

janet25 said:
In case of NATO involvement, would you stay in the EU?

Yes, why not

Where would you flee to and why?

No need of it.
In case of nuclear war no sense to move anywhere(but it won't happen)
In conventional war no sense for get scared by russian army who spends months to capture villages like a avdiivka. russians don't have chances with more powerful enemy.

And everyone who telling that sending 30 leopards to Ukraine its a whole nato power and that's why it will loose vs russia - just stupid.

Marketint · Mar 23, 2024

Yes, it looks like it can escalate now. It would not surprise me if a secret service were involved in this attack.

But even without a WW3, I don’t understand why people are staying in the EU.

void · Mar 23, 2024

Marketint said:
But even without a WW3, I don’t understand why people are staying in the EU.

roots

hlepic211 · Mar 23, 2024

Marketint said:
Yes, it looks like it can escalate now. It would not surprise me if a secret service were involved in this attack.

But even without a WW3, I don’t understand why people are staying in the EU.

Because there’s nowhere to run. Your choices are:
1) Latam (monkeys and crime)
2) UAE (authoritarian barbie castle in a desert)
3) Asia (stuck in 17th century maybe except for Singapore which is expensive
4) US (cowboys, wokeness, crime and fat people)
5) AU & NZ (guess)

Maybe El Salvador in 50 years.

Belfort · Mar 23, 2024

hlepic211 said:
Because there’s nowhere to run. Your choices are:
1) Latam (monkeys and crime)
2) UAE (authoritarian barbie castle in a desert)
3) Asia (stuck in 17th century maybe except for Singapore which is expensive
4) US (cowboys, wokeness, crime and fat people)
5) AU & NZ (guess)

Maybe El Salvador in 50 years.

You didn't mention Africa, but I guess that would be worse than going to the war frontlines.

MichelRippon989 · Mar 23, 2024

janet25 said:
There was a terrorist attack on Moscow today, and the Russians seem to be wanting to blame it on the Ukrainians so they can further escalate their operations in Ukraine. A WW3 scenario becomes more and more real, and I'm left wondering what the best course of action would be for someone in a NATO country.

In case of NATO involvement, would you stay in the EU? Where would you flee to and why?

Because the US finances ISIS, both the US and ISIS are to blame for the terrorist attack in Moscow.

JohnLocke · Mar 23, 2024

Marketint said:
But even without a WW3, I don’t understand why people are staying in the EU.

void said:
roots

Exactly, it is not easy for everyone just to move him self abroad from family and other relations or to move the entire family abroad. That's a different story which I feel we have discussed hundred of times in other threads already.

I also don't believe in a ww3 but something bad is waiting I'm sure.

John Spectre · Mar 23, 2024

Marketint said:
But even without a WW3, I don’t understand why people are staying in the EU.

There are bunch of reasons why one could prefer EU over other places and vise versa.
It's a quite depend on personal preferences, lifestyle, hobbies etc.

Blaming that EU it's a EUSSR(main argument in this forum) it's a just a manipulation, which effectivelly forget that propsed alternatives are not better or even banana republics (which is a big question what better). EU far from perfect, but another places too, still have number pros and cons.

Taxes in specific tax agrressive EU countries is not valid argument too. Because it's a still available options in EU where low tax structures are available.
And there is no big sense if you pay a small amount of taxes or instead of taxes pay relativelly same amount of funds from your pockets with number of required payments that support 'tax free life'.

12345 · Mar 23, 2024

John Spectre said:
There are bunch of reasons why one could prefer EU over other places and vise versa.
It's a quite depend on personal preferences, lifestyle, hobbies etc.

Blaming that EU it's a EUSSR(main argument in this forum) it's a just a manipulation, which effectivelly forget that propsed alternatives are not better or even banana republics (which is a big question what better). EU far from perfect, but another places too, still have number pros and cons.

Taxes in specific tax agrressive EU countries is not valid argument too. Because it's a still available options in EU where low tax structures are available.
And there is no big sense if you pay a small amount of taxes or instead of taxes pay relativelly same amount of funds from your pockets with number of required payments that support 'tax free life'.

Yes but aren't you afraid that eu will start applying pressure on countries with low taxes like Malta, Cyprus, Bulgaria ? In a long run they might do it - they have good excuses like climate change or deffence against Russia
Western europe is trully a socialist tax hell that's why its eussr
There are good options apart from eu which are not banana republics: Singapore, uae, Panama.
When it comes to war if I lived in EU I would be getting myself a second passport if I could afford it. In case you dodge the draft your home passport might be voided

John Spectre · Mar 23, 2024

12345 said:
Yes but aren't you afraid that eu will start applying pressure on countries with low taxes like Malta, Cyprus, Bulgaria ?

What else I need to afraid in my life? When this situation come in place - we will discuss it accordingly.
These countries evading pressure from EU for years, so not so dramatically as you said
In fact, famous competitors in this forum like UAE or Bahamas already was fallen by pressure in terms of new taxes or sitting in grey list for a while.
So, literally everyting could be happen with any country in the world.

12345 said:
Western europe is trully a socialist tax hell that's why its eussr
There are good options apart from eu which are not banana republics: Singapore, uae, Panama.

And okay it's a just a word. EU is a socialist tax hell, uae is a shariaty prison. the same s**t as for me.

12345 said:
When it comes to war if I lived in EU I would be getting myself a second passport if I could afford it. In case you dodge the draft your home passport might be voided

Hehe, it's again some not very true fears.
Depends on country and their laws, dodge of the draft could cause crime event, but not passport voided.
Hovewer second passport without dropping first one not will not allow you to avoid draft.
And to be honest, most western people here, who use benefits or their strong EU passport but claim EU as a s**t place, just don't know to live in the world with shitty passport, where your person considered thrash literally everywere: borders, banks, embassy of the each country when you need to apply entry visa etc. rasicm, facism, xenofobia start to play new colors here.

JohnnyDoe · Mar 23, 2024

void said:
roots

Humans have legs not roots, they are not trees.
Correct answer is: laziness. And the boiling frog syndrome.

wellington · Mar 23, 2024

janet25 said:
There was a terrorist attack on Moscow today, and the Russians seem to be wanting to blame it on the Ukrainians so they can further escalate their operations in Ukraine. A WW3 scenario becomes more and more real, and I'm left wondering what the best course of action would be for someone in a NATO country.

In case of NATO involvement, would you stay in the EU? Where would you flee to and why?

Russia should pummel Kiev, we in the West are literally sponsoring terrorism.

Evidence has been live-streamed - paid to carry out attack and their route out was via Ukraine, in addition these people were from near Afghanistan, hardly possible to pass into Russia via its borders easily except the Ukraine border zone.

John Spectre · Mar 23, 2024

wellington said:
Evidence has been live-streamed - paid to carry out attack and their route out was via Ukraine, in addition these people were from near Afghanistan, hardly possible to pass into Russia via its borders easily except the Ukraine border zone.

So stupid claim.
After 2 years of full scale war kilometers of border line between Ukraine in russia are mined, with permanent surveillancecontrol, a lot of special forces and regular forces on both sides in place.
You literally can't even reach in random car to a few kilometers border line zone, not even pass the border line.

For this path, you need to deal with a lot of both russian and ukrainian side to make a path and allow to drive\walk there.

you watched too many films if you think this is reachable so simple.
or russian side full of corrupt special forces who was dealed to allowed pass of random people with weapon and which car are searched by whole country?

wellington said:
Russia should pummel Kiev, we in the West are literally sponsoring terrorism.

God should pummel wellington, we in the world are literally sponsoring terrorist.

wellington · Mar 23, 2024

John Spectre said:
After 2 years of full scale war kilometers of border line between Ukraine in russia are mined, with permanent surveillancecontrol, a lot of special forces and regular forces on both sides in place.

Ukraine constantly encroaches into Russia and live streams...

I need not add any more.

John Spectre · Mar 23, 2024

wellington said:
Ukraine constantly encroaches into Russia and live streams...

Do you could confirm with any evidence about it when Ukraine done it with infantry in somewhere in deep russian territory not related to border line?
Sure at border line fights are occured regularly, but it's a not mean that UA infantry forces coming somewhere to Kursk or Belgorod and do things there. The same for russian forces, they can't reach anything futher border line there. Literally couple of kilimeters from the border line it's a limit of what infantry force could do there.

And I almost 100% sure that you meant here about RDK operations who claimed they are in russian territory, hovewer their most videos are from UA territory actually, part of them directly from border line. But for sure you are not cared, coz shell where you sit is okay for u

wellington said:
I need not add any more.

It's a because you do not have information about the situation and your incorrect view of things suits you

wellington said:
Also side note Australia RAF personal have been operating on US surveillance planes within ~20klms to the border the past few days - no need to ask me how i know and specifically what planes.

It doesn't mean that Kyiv is somewhere related to the what was done in russia yesterday

wellington said:
Wondered why when it came up - i guess we know why now... (west *us* are leaking information constantly because none of the soldiers understand why they are even there).

This means that intelligence is working, not that intelligence is preparing that s**t

Yep, this is world war where one side of war even didn't come to battle yet, but another side already strugling with war result by spending monthes with capturing (read destroying to the ground) villages in some depressed east of poorest country in Europe.

void · Mar 23, 2024

JohnnyDoe said:
Humans have legs not roots, they are not trees.
Correct answer is: laziness. And the boiling frog syndrome.

mental roots of many kinds surpass the power of legs almost always
add current unprecedented freedom of movement and personal safety - these are temporary yet for now unbeatable reasons

Frankie · Mar 23, 2024

John Spectre said:
There are bunch of reasons why one could prefer EU over other places and vise versa.
It's a quite depend on personal preferences, lifestyle, hobbies etc.

Blaming that EU it's a EUSSR(main argument in this forum) it's a just a manipulation, which effectivelly forget that propsed alternatives are not better or even banana republics (which is a big question what better). EU far from perfect, but another places too, still have number pros and cons.

Taxes in specific tax agrressive EU countries is not valid argument too. Because it's a still available options in EU where low tax structures are available.
And there is no big sense if you pay a small amount of taxes or instead of taxes pay relativelly same amount of funds from your pockets with number of required payments that support 'tax free life'.

100% correct.

But don't try to confuse people here with facts, let all the tinfoil hatters move to dictatorships like Dubai and then be surprised when rules get changed and they get raped with 9% tax and audit requirements for $200k revenue, after being promised 50 years of no tax

Or worse, end up in jail for accidentally bumping into a disgruntled Sheikh in the gym.

John Spectre said:
It's a because you do not have information about the situation and your incorrect view of things suits you

Come on. Everybody knows that every bad thing in the world is the result of Ukrainian Nazis=CIA=((Bankers))=Federal Reserve=Reptilian lizard people. If you don't see it, you're just one of the sheeple that don't think for himself. (Obvious sarcasm here).

Seriously though, if Russia doesn't want to be attacked by ISIS, maybe Russia should stop meddling with the internal affairs of countries like Syria. If you stop your neo-colonialist tendencies and don't meddle in affairs of other countries who don't concern you and are 1000s+ of kilometers away, then the Syrian rebels will have no reason to attack you. clow#¤%

wellington · Mar 23, 2024

John Spectre said:
Do you could confirm with any evidence about it when Ukraine done it with infantry in somewhere in deep russian territory not related to border line?

Lets just say i have been informed of non-public information before these events occurred, that lines up timing wise to an act carried out in the airspace 20 klm from the Russian border, for a period these individuals would have been entering Russia and for the period these events occurred.

So yeah, it's a pretty good guess Ukraine in concert with other nation(s) were in some way involved.

I won't add any more than that... For i am unsure of the consequences to the people that discussed and eventually what i picked up on in a entirely unrelated discussion.

polonieth · Mar 23, 2024

12345 said:
Yes but aren't you afraid that eu will start applying pressure on countries with low taxes like Malta, Cyprus, Bulgaria ? In a long run they might do it - they have good excuses like climate change or deffence against Russia
Western europe is trully a socialist tax hell that's why its eussr
There are good options apart from eu which are not banana republics: Singapore, uae, Panama.
When it comes to war if I lived in EU I would be getting myself a second passport if I could afford it. In case you dodge the draft your home passport might be voided

A progressive tax system has already been 'recommended' to Bulgaria.

John Spectre said:
In conventional war no sense for get scared by russian army who spends months to capture villages like a avdiivka. russians don't have chances with more powerful enemy.

And everyone who telling that sending 30 leopards to Ukraine its a whole nato power and that's why it will loose vs russia - just stupid.

Who is the more powerful army? They've already defeated the best trained army in Europe that's been supplied with basically everything NATO has to offer.

So who is it?

Ultimately, NATO is not cut out to fight a war—name one combat-tested army in Europe. There aren't any; most European armies are useless. Poles are pretty good, but there are too few of them. Some British units could give a good account of themselves on the battlefield, but again, there are too few. The rest are non-entities.

And that's not even considering what sort of equipment is available. Artillery would last days before it runs out.

USA of course are the strongest, but they are not cut out to fight a ground war in Europe.

Frankie said:
Seriously though, if Russia doesn't want to be attacked by ISIS, maybe Russia should stop meddling with the internal affairs of countries like Syria. If you stop your neo-colonialist tendencies and don't meddle in affairs of other countries who don't concern you and are 1000s+ of kilometers away, then the Syrian rebels will have no reason to attack you.

I think it's a bit rich to say Russia is meddling in Syria. Syria is one of Russia's client states, so they have financial interests there. It's the West who caused all the problems in that region.

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