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glengoolie

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This scamdemic completely exposed the corrupt, incompetent, stupid and bought out governments all around the world and how they disregarded basic human rights, laws and constitutions of their own land. So taking away the taxation and cost of living, which countries in your opinion upheld the aforementioned pillars of any modern society, kept their approach least intrusive and attained freedom of their citizens?

We could argue about taxation, healthcare, social security, costs of living, liveability, etc... ad infinitum but in this modern era, when USA is no longer the shining beacon of freedom(and individualism) it was once built on, freedom is becoming more important and prioritized than ever before. Not only financial but personal. So which country, or multiple, would you say are the freest at the moment and probably worth moving to even with higher costs of living?

(please do not refer to any lists or indices, also this is not thread about moving, it's just about your personal views and take on the status quo)
 

Golden Fleece

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but in this modern era, when USA is no longer the shining beacon of freedom(and individualism) it was once built on, freedom is becoming more important and prioritized than ever before.
You cannot examine the U.S. as a single entity. It is called the United States of America for a reason. Some states acted atrociously during the pandemic, utterly destroyed their economies, and then sought federal aid. These were the exact states that you would expect -- the bastions of unbridled socialist stupidity, e.g., California, New York, New Jersey, and much of New England.

Meanwhile, states such as Texas, Florida, and South Dakota were shining examples of common sense. For example, Disneyworld in Florida shut down for less than four months, while Disneyland in California closed for more than a year (now scheduled to reopen April 30, 2021).

I have read that Mexico had one of the most relaxed COVID-19 responses in the world. It is also very easy to get residency there. But you would not want to start any serious business there.

BTW: You need to get far more specific with your thread titles. There are all sorts of freedoms and people prioritize different ones. For example, Singapore is quite free for business but it has restricted political freedoms.
 
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manukahoney

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- UAE if you want "I wanna be a rich brat" lifestyle.
- Ukraine if you want "Everything and everyone can be bought".
- UK if you want asset protection and reasonable legal/tax system (works wonders for expats), but gov-t went from "let's be reasonable and trust science" to "ok, all of you want lockdown like in EU - you get it".

That's from personal experience, frankly the covid hysteria turned many previously friendly and open-minded countries in police states governed by fear and stupidity. And things are here to stay.
 

CaptK

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Tanzania never shut down at all the tourism industry took a massive hit but otherwise pubs, clubs and resteraunts stayed open throughout.
From my understanding most of the small Carribbean Islands like Anguilla, St Kitts, St Bart's and SVG didn't really shut down. On paper there was pandemic histeria but life was normal.
 

Cetme308win

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- UAE if you want "I wanna be a rich brat" lifestyle.
- Ukraine if you want "Everything and everyone can be bought".
- UK if you want asset protection and reasonable legal/tax system (works wonders for expats), but gov-t went from "let's be reasonable and trust science" to "ok, all of you want lockdown like in EU - you get it".

That's from personal experience, frankly the covid hysteria turned many previously friendly and open-minded countries in police states governed by fear and stupidity. And things are here to stay.
and what about Panama?
 

Cetme308win

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Panama had one of the worst lockdowns on the planet. Women were allowed to leave the home for essential services on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday -- and men on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Police aggressively enforced these measures.
daaamn and Cayman?
 

Jade33

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I didn't check recently but Costa rica was quick to reopen without test required, only good health insurance.
Looked at Ukraine but then there is the border war zone with russia, it's a situation I never encountered (hey starting to learn russian just in case ;)
I don't believe the countries are rules by fear, they are ruled by losing out of IMF budget. They are selling out and complying to the plan.
Works perfect when you can print unlimited amount of cash and your customers are up to their head in debt.
We are still unlawfully locked up from non-essential travel so this does give anxiety where to turn to in the future.
What's the point in having a second residence when you cannot get to it....
 

Golden Fleece

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What's the point in having a second residence when you cannot get to it....
You can get to it. If you have a second citizenship or a second residency, then you have the legal right to enter that country -- even though non-citizens or non-residents do not have that legal right. Now, you may need to quarantine once you arrive, if that country requires it, but you have the right to enter the country.
 

glengoolie

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resident visa, to be specific. but look at malaysia for example. they locked out their MM2H visa holders last year who were outside when they locked down and left them out for a while and only let in the citizens. a major screw up like this is always a possibility, heck, even if you are a citizen you can be simply locked out of they decide.
 

Golden Fleece

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resident visa, to be specific. but look at malaysia for example. they locked out their MM2H visa holders last year who were outside when they locked down and left them out for a while and only let in the citizens. a major screw up like this is always a possibility, heck, even if you are a citizen you can be simply locked out of they decide.
Sure, anything is possible. Your spouse might lock you out of your home tomorrow. I just stated the general rule.

Having said that, some of the stuff going on in certain countries is horrifying. In England, you can travel if you are a football team heading to a match, but not if you wish to visit an elderly parent.

Starting on Monday, anyone who leaves England must submit papers making a certified declaration of their reason for leaving. The authorities will then retain the discretion to fine travelers £5,000— nearly $7,000, if the reason isn’t valid.

The government has provided a list of 14 valid excuses, such as a professional football team traveling for a match. This is totally fine.

But someone who wants to attend a religious pilgrimage is forbidden to travel. So is someone who wants to visit an elderly parent they haven’t seen since 2019, unless it is a parent whom the traveler “reasonably believes is dying.”
 

Jade33

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You can get to it. If you have a second citizenship or a second residency, then you have the legal right to enter that country -- even though non-citizens or non-residents do not have that legal right. Now, you may need to quarantine once you arrive, if that country requires it, but you have the right to enter the country.
belgium is restricting all non essentail travel, so even if you have a 2nd residency you canot go. EU has sanctioned BE because its all unlawful but it stays like it is.
What's the point about EU regulations when countries can individual alter the rules....
 

glengoolie

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don't forget that lisabon agreement guarantees freedom of movement within EU/schengen so yeah...you can wipe your ass with your rights and freedoms. until people rise up, nothing will change. this is why whites(NA/EU/..) are so weak, they had it too good for too long and when SHTF they just fold while crying for more welfare because they sure do love their socialism.
 

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