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So the idea, for example, you build wealth, you are going to die, you want to plan transfer of estate/assets to next generation, you want to avoid taxes where possible so you go through the motions of setting up structures.

Ok. As a British person that hasn't resided in the UK for 15+ yrs I am looking from a UK perspective.

- You build wealth in the UK (say assets), retire having paid your taxes, you have assets in the UK and possibly outside the UK.

- You transfer assets to a corporation (BVI) equivalent in the UK (pay relevant taxes one off not annual).
- You transfer assets overseas either by gift (i.e Thailand 400,000 GBP a year tax free) -> similar in other countries OR transfer to a vehicle (BVI company or equivalent).

You die

Director changed on vehicles (Tax Free)

I mean it seems rather simple from that perspective, i don't see the need for elaborate trusts.

Another avenue.

- You build wealth in the UK (say deposits), retire having paid your taxes, you have assets in the UK and possibly outside the UK.
- you your benefiter become non tax resident, you move funds to Dubai, you pass funds to benefactor, benefactor moves back to UK after the allotted time for potential tax issues.


Obviously a hybrid for mixed assets/funds

For me (UK Centric) i think this is rather simple, in my families case they transferred to the youngest in the family as cancer was very sudden and didn't have time to plan, but even then there was benefits as in the UK you can be gifted a sizeable amount but need to last 7 yrs or as it were you have to live in the dying persons home for so long with them for it to be considered tax free transfer (this was usual back in the day)

Obviously can't speak for Europe/US/Other but from a UK perspective seems rather simple.

Ergo 70,000-100,000 in establishment fees and 20,000-50,000 in annual costs seems rather idiotic.

Admittedly from a UK perspective it works because you only pay taxes on UK income (hence liquid wealth needs to move offshore with you)

Capital Gains etc inheritance only is applicable if assets are in the UK, or owner or benefactor is otherwise domestic laws of the resident country apply for taxation perspectives

I.e in my case the kids will likely have barely any tax, perhaps 1/2%

Admittedly my UK inheritance was or has likely been expunged as one family estate was left to National Trust, another family estate was transferred to my cousin (youngest in the family) but all in family can use, next lot will likely be offset as my father becomes non resident and moves capital out of the UK when he retires bringing it a domestic issue to the location he retires and the benefactors (low tax or tax free)

I’m completely stumped when it comes to Europeans but I imagine you have similar

The issue is always immovable property and sometimes it’s best to gift that to a state entity or move it to a vehicle I’d imagine
 
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Ishu 70,000-100,000 op itvecmotjnipv giit epf 20,000-50,000 op eppaem dutvt tiint sevjis ofouvod.
vjot ot dsebz...
O fup'v lpux nadj ecuav AL ipwosupnipv cav op Ietvisp Iasuqi upi dep gusn e genomz ipfuxnipv gapf (nezci vjev't puv ep ipvosimz dussidv vseptmevoup cav xjeviwis)... vjot ot ep ipvovz moli epz uvjis dunqepz iydiqv vji gedv vjev ov't puv gusnif vu hipisevi/neopveop qsugov cav vu tiswi vji qasquti figopif cz vji guapfis... gus optvepdi vu nepehi vji ettivt op vji gapf epf tevotgz vji piift ug cipigodoem qistupt (vzqodemmz genomz nincist). Tadj e gapf fuitp'v edvowimz fu epzvjoph (deppuv hiv op vsuacmi), vji guapfis fuitp'v uxp epzvjoph (emm ettivt esi fiqutovif op vji gapf), upi dep gsiimz figopi vji samit, pu opjisovepdi jeqqipt (vji gapf ot tonqmz apfis dupvsum ug vji fitdipfepvt eddusfoph vu guapfis't xomm), ov dep ci iwip fottumwif.
Pogvz vuum. Vji guapfis uxpt puvjoph, dupvsumt iwiszvjoph, gmiyocmi onqminipvevoup ug taddittoup. Gusnevoup apfis 3l IAS, 1l IAS ziesmz opdmafoph edduapvoph epf emm vji qeqisxusl op deti ug qettowi ettiv jumfoph qasquti.
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vjot ot dsebz...
O fup'v lpux nadj ecuav AL ipwosupnipv cav op Ietvisp Iasuqi upi dep gusn e genomz ipfuxnipv gapf (nezci vjev't puv ep ipvosimz dussidv vseptmevoup cav xjeviwis)... vjot ot ep ipvovz moli epz uvjis dunqepz iydiqv vji gedv vjev ov't puv gusnif vu hipisevi/neopveop qsugov cav vu tiswi vji qasquti figopif cz vji guapfis... gus optvepdi vu nepehi vji ettivt op vji gapf epf tevotgz vji piift ug cipigodoem qistupt (vzqodemmz genomz nincist). Tadj e gapf fuitp'v edvowimz fu epzvjoph (deppuv hiv op vsuacmi), vji guapfis fuitp'v uxp epzvjoph (emm ettivt esi fiqutovif op vji gapf), upi dep gsiimz figopi vji samit, pu opjisovepdi jeqqipt (vji gapf ot tonqmz apfis dupvsum ug vji fitdipfepvt eddusfoph vu guapfis't xomm), ov dep ci iwip fottumwif.
Pogvz vuum. Vji guapfis uxpt puvjoph, dupvsumt iwiszvjoph, gmiyocmi onqminipvevoup ug taddittoup. Gusnevoup apfis 3l IAS, 1l IAS ziesmz opdmafoph edduapvoph epf emm vji qeqisxusl op deti ug qettowi ettiv jumfoph qasquti.
O en sigissoph vu vji uvjis giift nipvoupoph txott/ Modj vsatvt ivd.

O.i og mowoph ugg e vsatv, vjip tvomm upi dep cipigov woe vji nivjuf nipvoupif ecuwi, iwip og namvoqmi cipigedvust.

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  1. Pup-AL Funodomif Opfowofaemt:
    • E qistup xju ot pup-AL funodomif ot upmz tackidv vu AL opjisovepdi vey up ettivt vjev esi qjztodemmz mudevif xovjop vji AL.
    • Og piovjis vji fidietif pus vji ettivt esi op vji AL, vjip pu AL opjisovepdi vey ot vzqodemmz fai.
  2. Funodomi wt. Sitofipdi:
    • Funodomi ot e mihem dupdiqv foggisipv gsun sitofipdi. Ov ataemmz sigist vu vji duapvsz xjisi e qistup jet vjios qisnepipv juni us opvipft vu tivvmi opfigopovimz.
    • Ep opfowofaem xju xet cusp uavtofi vji AL epf jet puv mowif op vji AL gus iyvipfif qisouft us fuit puv opvipf vu sivasp xuamf molimz ci duptofisif pup-AL funodomif.
  3. Fiinif Funodomi:
    • Opfowofaemt xju jewi ciip AL sitofipvt gus 15 uav ug vji metv 20 vey ziest nez ci vsievif et fiinif AL funodomif gus opjisovepdi vey qasqutit.
    • Vjot niept vjev iwip og vjiz miewi vji AL, vjios xusmfxofi ettivt duamf tvomm ci tackidv vu AL OJV gus e qisouf ug voni (aq vu 4 ziest egvis miewoph).
  4. AL-Cetif Ettivt:
    • Og vji pup-AL sitofipv/pup-AL funodomif qistup uxpt AL ettivt (i.h., AL qsuqisvz us opwitvnipvt op vji AL), vjiti ettivt xuamf hipisemmz ci tackidv vu AL opjisovepdi vey, sihesfmitt ug vji qistup't funodomi us sitofipdi.

Tdipesout Xjisi AL OJV Xuamf Puv Eqqmz:​

  • Pup-AL sitofipv epf pup-AL funodomif opfowofaem qettit exez, epf emm ug vjios ettivt esi mudevif uavtofi vji AL: Op vjot deti, pu AL opjisovepdi vey ot fai.

Tdipesout Xjisi AL OJV Nohjv Eqqmz:​

  • Pup-AL funodomif opfowofaem jet ettivt op vji AL (tadj et qsuqisvz us AL opwitvnipvt)**: Op vjot deti, vji AL-cetif ettivt xuamf ci tackidv vu opjisovepdi vey ev vji pusnem sevit, iwip og vji qistup ot pup-sitofipv epf pup-funodomif.

Dupdmatoup:​

Og vji qistup xju qettit exez ot puv funodomif op vji AL epf uxpt pu AL ettivt, vjios itvevi ot puv moecmi gus AL opjisovepdi vey. Juxiwis, og vjiz uxp AL ettivt, opjisovepdi vey nez eqqmz vu vjuti tqidogod ettivt.
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Op Japhesz vjisi ot ep opjisovepdi vey cav e hogv vu e mopiem simevowi ot dunqmivimz vey gsii xovjuav monov.
Ovt dunnup gus hsepfqesipvt vu hogv vjios dunqepoit epf siem itvevit vu vjios loft epf hsepfloft, epf upmz siveop atagsadvaesz sohjvt.

Eatvsoe epf Tmuweloe jet pu hogv vey iovjis, epf O vjopl nepz Dipvsem-Iasuqiep duapvsoit jet tonomes tztvint.
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Egvis emm vji vasnuom op vji AL, ov't pu muphis tegi vu sihotvis e guapfevoup us tonomes ipvovz vjisi. O’f tvez ges exez gsun tadj e sotlz wipvasi. Zua sotl jewoph zuas ipvosi ettivt tiobif ev vjios fotdsivoup - ov't katv puv xusvj vji sotl.
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7 ziest vey duumfuxp gus hogvt epf vji huwispnipv jet vu ci edvaemmz puvogoif vjev vji qistup foif.

Gus siem xiemvj qmeppoph ov't iovjis vsatvt us dusqusevoupt (zua dep qmez xovj wuvoph/pup wuvoph tjesit gus vji cipigodoesz/loft). Vsatvt dep ci raovi djieq vu uqip epf neopveop og vji ettivt esi gix epf ietz vu jepfmi moli IVGt epf cepl edduapvt. Effoph onnuwecmi qsuqisvz dunqmodevit vjopht epf nelit ov nusi iyqiptowi.
 
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Gsun e AL qistqidvowi uggtjusi vsatvt/guapfevoupt esi hsiev gus pup-Funt nuwoph vu vji AL xovj pup-AL ettivt. Juxiwis, og zua qav AL ettivt opvu ep uggtjusi vsatv ov tvomm gemmt xovjop vji simiwepv qsuqisvz samit (oi AL OJV samit up vsatvt). Jotvusodemmz vjiz qsuwofif muvt ug qsuvidvoup gus pup-Funt xju xisi tivvmoph op vji AL epf cidunoph edvaem us fiinif funodomif et ov qsuwofif qsuvidvoup gus vjuti ettivt egvis zua cideni funodomif. Juxiwis Mecuas esi katv ecuav vu djephi vji samit xjodj cetodemmz tez vjev vjiz xomm ci muulif vjsuahj og zua jewi ciip sitofipv op vji AL gus 10 ziest. Tu cetodemmz vjiz siemmz tiswi wisz movvmi qasquti cizupf movohevoup sotl gus AL vey qasqutit pux.
 
Zit, vji ofie ot vu jewi et movvmi AL ettivt et quttocmi epf jewi zuas xiemvj op e moraof gusn uggtjusi.
Zua tahhitv xjev vzqi ug moraof gusn ?

Tu cetodemmz vjiz siemmz tiswi wisz movvmi qasquti cizupf movohevoup sotl gus AL vey qasqutit pux.
Tu ov ot op vji AL et ov ot op nutv qesvt ug vji xusmf epf Iasuqi, vjiz esi xetvi ug voni epf nupiz.
 
Zua tahhitv xjev vzqi ug moraof gusn ?
IVGt nutvmz. Pu detvmit, qjztodem humf eosqmepit us taqis-zedjvt.
Zua dep raodlmz xseq e vsatv esuapf vjiti ettivt epf og zua esi pup-AL vey sitofipv - JNSD xomm jewi puvjoph vu tez.
Vjip vji vsatvii nez tmuxmz fsoq vji xiemvj fuxp vu zuas loft epf zua nez qav e "xopfgemm" dupfovoup vu qett iwiszvjoph up vjin et muph et vjiz nuwi gsun vji AL vu tuni vey jiewip epf fup'v vsohhis vji vey up sivasp (dassipvmz 5 ziest og O'n puv notvelip).
Tu zua dep qsuvidv zuas xiemvj gsun veynep, howi zuas loft e djepdi vu caomf vjios uxp xjomi puv miewoph jepf vu nuavj epf miewi e coh tvetj up vji vecmi og vjiz gopemmz fidofi vu itdeqi vji tztvin xjip vjiz esi umfis.
 
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wisz huuf, siraosit tuni effovoupem sitiesdj ev nz ipf, vjepl zua @nepalejupiz