Market crash portfolio?

[Zaiga]

Hey guys!

I am pretty conservatively investing into ETFs (World etc.).
But one could also use a couple of global acting companies with a global exposure to "imitate" a world portfolio.

It would be interesting to see such a portfolio and to pick the stocks which lost the most during the recent crash.
Focusing on the "crash titles" could bring high returns when the market will switch.

Any ideas on this "stock picking" suggestion?

Greetings

 

[Martin Everson]

It would be interesting to see such a portfolio and to pick the stocks which lost the most during the recent crash.
Focusing on the "crash titles" could bring high returns when the market will switch.

Do you not think there is a reason why they crashed the most? Or you feel the market and every professional investor has got it wrong on these stocks?

Any ideas on this "stock picking" suggestion?

Buy a global index and sleep well at night. I wouldnt bother with such a strategy unless its play money your using. A portfolios performance comes via its diversification not the concentration.

 

[Zaiga]

Do you not think there is a reason why they crashed the most? Or you feel the market and every professional investor has got it wrong on these stocks?



Buy a global index and sleep well at night. I wouldnt bother with such a strategy unless its play money your using. A portfolios performance comes via its diversification not the concentration.

Like I've written, I own a global index portfolio. But I like individual stocks, as they eliminate the ETF in between. Just wanted to know if anyone has a global portfolio without an index ETF

 

[backpacker]

Like I've written, I own a global index portfolio. But I like individual stocks, as they eliminate the ETF in between. Just wanted to know if anyone has a global portfolio without an index ETF

Well, we discussed it a few weeks ago.
Check

• Investing ideas with 1ml
• How to make money by investing in Gold?
• MSCI World High Dividend Yield Index (USD) -> Gone for some Green crap?

Of course, these are not crash-stocks. However, the mentioned companies cover the globe, are more efficient than an ETF by simply avoiding the "lame ducks" every index contains and will be around for the next 100 years or so.
Going bottom fishing by looking for crash stocks is too dangerous. It's not investing, it's casino gambling!
In the current environment you have to find a balance between risk and reward. Stick with large globally operating companies who pay high dividends.

 

[Zaiga]

Well, we discussed it a few weeks ago.
Check

• Investing ideas with 1ml
• How to make money by investing in Gold?
• MSCI World High Dividend Yield Index (USD) -> Gone for some Green crap?

Of course, these are not crash-stocks. However, the mentioned companies cover the globe, are more efficient than an ETF by simply avoiding the "lame ducks" every index contains and will be around for the next 100 years or so.
Going bottom fishing by looking for crash stocks is too dangerous. It's not investing, it's casino gambling!
In the current environment you have to find a balance between risk and reward. Stick with large globally operating companies who pay high dividends.

Thank you for your reply.
You mentioned a couple of companies like "Unilever, Nestlé, P&G, perhaps even BAT", but do you've also full "portfolio of 20+ companies" ?
I would be very interested to see such a stock portfolio.

Greetings!

 

[backpacker]

Thank you for your reply.
You mentioned a couple of companies like "Unilever, Nestlé, P&G, perhaps even BAT", but do you've also full "portfolio of 20+ companies" ?
I would be very interested to see such a stock portfolio.

Greetings!

No, not 20+. I consider this too many for an individual investor. In that case you are indeed better off with an ETF.
See, the point of investing in large globally operating companies with high dividends is to achieve -with a handful of individual stocks- a slightly better result than with an index-ETF. Mainly through dividends, not capital gains. Time horizon: 10 years.

 

[369]

germand and uk high energy/gas consuming companies

 

[backpacker]

germand and uk high energy/gas consuming companies

Why? Do you expect the energy situation (gas in particular) in these two countries to normalize anytime soon??
Germany + UK both have no commodities and are now forced to buy expensive from "friendly nations" at very unfavorable conditions. I think high energy/gas consuming companies in these two countries will be at a permanent disadvantage compared to its competition in other parts of the world.

 

[369]

Why? Do you expect the energy situation (gas in particular) in these two countries to normalize anytime soon??
Germany + UK both have no commodities and are now forced to buy expensive from "friendly nations" at very unfavorable conditions. I think high energy/gas consuming companies in these two countries will be at a permanent disadvantage compared to its competition in other parts of the world.

Correct i meant to short them.Thats a secure bet

 

[GeneralGogol]

Buy a global index and sleep well at night. I wouldnt bother with such a strategy unless its play money your using. A portfolios performance comes via its diversification not the concentration.

100% that.

I would also add that your strategy will only work if these companies survive.

The lower these stocks crash, the more attractive they are to scavengers (private equity) that will just buy them out. Some of them definitely will go bankrupt or will just be taken private at a very low valuation and will never recover to their prior highs.

TL;DR: don't waste your time, even if you beat the market (which you won't) it will be at a higher volatility and your extra performance won't compensate you for that

 

[backpacker]

Someone making headlines with outrages predictions -> Bitcoin could fall to $3.5K as recession intensifies and stocks collapse - Gareth Soloway
If he is right, even a global Index investment won't let you sleep well at night.
Open for discussion ...

 

[RealDude]

Someone making headlines with outrages predictions -> Bitcoin could fall to $3.5K as recession intensifies and stocks collapse - Gareth Soloway
If he is right, even a global Index investment won't let you sleep well at night.
Open for discussion ...

I expact Bitcoin to fall to minus $-5k tomorrow…

 

[369]

Someone making headlines with outrages predictions -> Bitcoin could fall to $3.5K as recession intensifies and stocks collapse - Gareth Soloway
If he is right, even a global Index investment won't let you sleep well at night.
Open for discussion ...

longterm charts are pointing to $7k however if there is a heavy catalyst forcing people to sell it could reach for a single day $3.5k to skyrocket back up

 

[backpacker]

Someone making headlines with outrages predictions -> Bitcoin could fall to $3.5K as recession intensifies and stocks collapse - Gareth Soloway
If he is right, even a global Index investment won't let you sleep well at night.
Open for discussion ...

... and here -> Bitcoin price will hit $100K in 2023; Stocks, crypto to see 'bull market' - Tone Vays we have the exact opposite.
Useless predictions !

 

[backpacker]

That's a crash nobody seems to notice -> U.S.-listed Chinese stocks drop 20% after Beijing's power reshuffle makes the market 'uninvestable'
It started already a while ago. Hang Seng has almost halfed.
And it's just getting worse with all the tensions and warmongering around Taiwan. Definitely an uninvestable market for the forseeable future.

 

[369]

That's a crash nobody seems to notice -> U.S.-listed Chinese stocks drop 20% after Beijing's power reshuffle makes the market 'uninvestable'
It started already a while ago. Hang Seng has almost halfed.
And it's just getting worse with all the tensions and warmongering around Taiwan. Definitely an uninvestable market for the forseeable future.

its about the semiconductors.US/Biden removed in a single decission all semicondutors for china

 

[backpacker]

its about the semiconductors.US/Biden removed in a single decission all semicondutors for china

Biden did that almost three weeks ago. Today's crash has nothing to do with it. It is just because of Xi and his diffuse geopolitical and economic policies + COVID craze. Personality cult is never good for financial markets.

 

[369]

Biden did that almost three weeks ago. Today's crash has nothing to do with it. It is just because of Xi and his diffuse geopolitical and economic policies + COVID craze. Personality cult is never good for financial markets.

Xi or anybody else would not change anything.
Don't get fooled that china and US are not coworking in implementing total control mechanism to ALL citizens.
The hard drop is about the semiconductors and forcast of a big conflict with China which both sides planned together to suck out peoples wealth

 

[RealDude]

Xi or anybody else would not change anything.
Don't get fooled that china and US are not coworking in implementing total control mechanism to ALL citizens.
The hard drop is about the semiconductors and forcast of a big conflict with China which both sides planned together to suck out peoples wealth

Ever thought about self-referral?

 

[uplana]

Buy a global index and sleep well at night. I wouldnt bother with such a strategy unless its play money your using. A portfolios performance comes via its diversification not the concentration.

As usually the Wise words from Martin, following his advise is never wrong... almost never