Our valued sponsor

Non CRS Banks?

Your opinion about banking in Cambodia and Georgia is already online, and is plenty online of lists of banks that do it (and that are still in the game even so).
Do you really think that if you write something on a forum everybody in the world is going to run and do it, and crowds will run into opening an account and that a bank will need to change its policies? smi(&%smi(&%rof/%rof/% you are probably overestimating your opinion smi(&%smi(&%rof/%rof/%rof/%
 
In your opinion nowadays which are the 5 best non crs banks that allow non residents to open an account?

Top #1 in this category is Citi (NA). Reputable bank and jurisdiction. Too big to fail. Good for deposits and transactions. Streamlined and capable compliance. No paranoia of non-U.S. persons. Keeps adapting and evolving, even after being fined many times.

Before you commit, check if your country of residence recieves something back from FATCA which is the US equivalent of CRS.

Top 2-5 also go to U.S. banks. No real competition.

After a big void, top 25-50, maybe, we get to smaller offshore branches of too big to fails in the non-CRS emerging markets.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Txaxandlxaxwxyxexr
Your opinion about banking in Cambodia and Georgia is already online, and is plenty online of lists of banks that do it (and that are still in the game even so).
Do you really think that if you write something on a forum everybody in the world is going to run and do it, and crowds will run into opening an account and that a bank will need to change its policies? smi(&%smi(&%rof/%rof/% you are probably overestimating your opinion smi(&%smi(&%rof/%rof/%rof/%

Depends on your definition of "still in the game". Georgia started gaining popularity on the Internet some 2 years ago. Fast forward to 2020 and .... it's virtually impossible to obtain (and maintain) an account with any of the major banks without demonstrating significant economic substance.

The same can be observed in a very large number of other cases as well. The story is always the same.
 
Your opinion about banking in Cambodia and Georgia is already online, and is plenty online of lists of banks that do it (and that are still in the game even so).
Do you really think that if you write something on a forum everybody in the world is going to run and do it, and crowds will run into opening an account and that a bank will need to change its policies? smi(&%smi(&%rof/%rof/% you are probably overestimating your opinion smi(&%smi(&%rof/%rof/%rof/%
you have to be new to the forum or just naive and ignorant if you think you can write something on a public forum without it having any consequences at some point. You are forgiven for getting your foolhardy comment as you have not been here more than barely 2 months. The rest of us have seen the consequences many times already.
 
Depends on your definition of "still in the game". Georgia started gaining popularity on the Internet some 2 years ago. Fast forward to 2020 and .... it's virtually impossible to obtain (and maintain) an account with any of the major banks without demonstrating significant economic substance.

The same can be observed in a very large number of other cases as well. The story is always the same.

They want the big fish, not the time wasters/sketchy clients that bring nothing to them but potential fines.

Tax havens/Non-CRS banks are increasingly discriminating against clients and cherry pick only the ones that can bring them real money otherwise the risk of operating such a model outweighs the potential gains.

Well established tax havens like the Caymans/Bermuda/Bahamas already do that. Even if those countries do CRS they still help the big fish get away with things while pretending to be compliant with the rest of their clients. You can find banks that will go rogue even in on-shore jurisdictions if you have the net worth for it, there's plenty of them in Switzerland/Germany/Baltic nations. Past a certain net worth the CRS issue becomes irrelevant, there's always a way to bypass the rules for the very rich.
 
They want the big fish, not the time wasters/sketchy clients that bring nothing to them but potential fines.

Tax havens/Non-CRS banks are increasingly discriminating against clients and cherry pick only the ones that can bring them real money otherwise the risk of operating such a model outweighs the potential gains.

Well established tax havens like the Caymans/Bermuda/Bahamas already do that. Even if those countries do CRS they still help the big fish get away with things while pretending to be compliant with the rest of their clients. You can find banks that will go rogue even in on-shore jurisdictions if you have the net worth for it, there's plenty of them in Switzerland/Germany/Baltic nations. Past a certain net worth the CRS issue becomes irrelevant, there's always a way to bypass the rules for the very rich.
Just a curiosity: what is the usual yardstick that these banks use to consider it to be worth bending the rules? 1M? 10M? 100M?
 
You mean US banks (if it will be possible) can be used to avoid any reporting? I assume not really since they also engage in different exchange programs about tax payers like FATCA which you mentioned?
The US has different levels of agreement for each country.
FATCA essentially forces other countries to tell automatically if foreign financial institutions have US persons as clients... but there isn't true reciprocity and it is not universal. It depends on the level of agreement of each country.

The keywords are "Reciprocal FATCA IGA", Model 1, Model 2.
The "Non-reciprocal IGA"
and "TIEA"

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...ax/us-tax-fatca-iga-global-summary-040620.pdf
https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/tax-policy/foreign-account-tax-compliance-act
 
  • Like
Reactions: Txaxandlxaxwxyxexr
The US has different levels of agreement for each country.
FATCA essentially forces other countries to tell automatically if foreign financial institutions have US persons as clients... but there isn't true reciprocity and it is not universal. It depends on the level of agreement of each country.

The keywords are "Reciprocal FATCA IGA", Model 1, Model 2.
The "Non-reciprocal IGA"
and "TIEA"

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...ax/us-tax-fatca-iga-global-summary-040620.pdf
https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/tax-policy/foreign-account-tax-compliance-act
Very useful. Thanks.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ryanab
Depends on your definition of "still in the game". Georgia started gaining popularity on the Internet some 2 years ago. Fast forward to 2020 and .... it's virtually impossible to obtain (and maintain) an account with any of the major banks without demonstrating significant economic substance.
How do you know that posting about Georgia here on the forum has made that happen? Only thanks to this forum, that is.
 
Register now
You must login or register to view hidden content on this page.