Russian Citizenship by Investment

[KalasZX]

@JohnnyDoe suggested making a thread about getting Russian citizenship when I mentioned its availability in another thread, so here it is. I have not done it yet nor do I have a reference for someone like Fred providing white glove service to handle the details. If anyone can provide such a reference it would be greatly appreciated.

The requirements are relatively simple:

1.Invest 10 million rubles to create a company that employs at least 10 people.
2.Your company's taxable income must be at least 10 million rubles every year.
2b.Alternatively, you can invest at least 10 million rubles to acquire at least 10% of a company that pays at least 10 million rubles in taxes every year.
3.Following these conditions you qualify for permanent residence after one year and citizenship after three.
4.Some websites say Russian language proficiency is required for citizenship, others do not mention it. Having learned Russian myself the hardest part is getting your brain to read Cyrillic letters properly. Once you learn the alphabet everything is just as phonetic as Japanese kana and fluency is simply a matter of increasing your Russian vocabulary.

This looks like a pretty good deal to me. The actual amount of money you need to invest isn't that much higher than one of the Caribbean passports. The current Russophobic hysteria is not sustainable and already dying down among all but the most unhinged. Chances of being denied entry with a Russian passport three years from now are practically zero. If Russia isn't on your radar, maybe it should be.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

It would be nice if some smart guy sets up a service for helping with Russian citizenship, including finding companies to invest in.

 

[fc70]

I would wait to see what happens with the Ukraine situation first before doing this; plus the ruble now is very strong.

 

[TheCryptoAnt]

For the ones wondering, ₽10M is aprox $165k

 

[daxbr]

Was reading just the other day about a guy who acquired one of the Caribbean donation citizenships and his Global Entry was pulled immediately. Hate to think what three letter agencies would do to a new Russian.

 

[AlexGE]

@JohnnyDoe suggested making a thread about getting Russian citizenship when I mentioned its availability in another thread, so here it is. I have not done it yet nor do I have a reference for someone like Fred providing white glove service to handle the details. If anyone can provide such a reference it would be greatly appreciated.

The requirements are relatively simple:

1.Invest 10 million rubles to create a company that employs at least 10 people.
2.Your company's taxable income must be at least 10 million rubles every year.
2b.Alternatively, you can invest at least 10 million rubles to acquire at least 10% of a company that pays at least 10 million rubles in taxes every year.
3.Following these conditions you qualify for permanent residence after one year and citizenship after three.
4.Some websites say Russian language proficiency is required for citizenship, others do not mention it. Having learned Russian myself the hardest part is getting your brain to read Cyrillic letters properly. Once you learn the alphabet everything is just as phonetic as Japanese kana and fluency is simply a matter of increasing your Russian vocabulary.

This looks like a pretty good deal to me. The actual amount of money you need to invest isn't that much higher than one of the Caribbean passports. The current Russophobic hysteria is not sustainable and already dying down among all but the most unhinged. Chances of being denied entry with a Russian passport three years from now are practically zero. If Russia isn't on your radar, maybe it should be.

What's the point to get a Russian passport?
You'll have to report it to the banks and that might get you in trouble.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

What's the point to get a Russian passport?
You'll have to report it to the banks and that might get you in trouble.

Being included in the “other” part of the world, which is the bigger one. The wind is changing.

 

[KalasZX]

What's the point to get a Russian passport?
You'll have to report it to the banks and that might get you in trouble.

What's the point of getting an additional passport without the CBI stigma? No one reading this website should ask that question. To say nothing of the fact that the US is determined to turn itself into a third world country with a worthless currency.

You are clearly thinking short-term. Even if you started today it'll realistically be 3.5 years before you have a Russian passport in your hands...wait a minute, I see where you're going with this. You're saying the smart play is get a passport from Ukraine and trade it in for one from the Federation. Sneaky, I like it, on the surface anyway. Ukraine is a highly corrupt crony capitalism shithole and not a place to run an honest business. Do you have some loophole to get the passport quickly? My understanding of the process for Ukraine is:

1.Invest around US$100,000 and it doesn't even have to be business activity. You can buy a condo, have the company own it and do nothing else.
2.About 20 steps of bureaucracy from a government so inept it makes the US government look efficient. If you're lucky you'll have permanent residence after 2 10+ day trips to Ukraine and at least a year of waiting on the government. That is the best case scenario, all of those numbers could easily double.
3.Wait 5 years to apply for citizenship and bribe someone to actually process it.

That doesn't sound preferable to an honest business that makes you money and gets you the Russian passport at least 2 years faster. OTOH, if there's a way to use Ukraine's governmental corruption to my advantage and I can get the passport today for 100 grand sign me up right now. I'll take it directly to the Russian consulate for a free upgrade.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

What's the point of getting an additional passport without the CBI stigma? No one reading this website should ask that question. To say nothing of the fact that the US is determined to turn itself into a third world country with a worthless currency.

You are clearly thinking short-term. Even if you started today it'll realistically be 3.5 years before you have a Russian passport in your hands...wait a minute, I see where you're going with this. You're saying the smart play is get a passport from Ukraine and trade it in for one from the Federation. Sneaky, I like it, on the surface anyway. Ukraine is a highly corrupt crony capitalism shithole and not a place to run an honest business. Do you have some loophole to get the passport quickly? My understanding of the process for Ukraine is:

1.Invest around US$100,000 and it doesn't even have to be business activity. You can buy a condo, have the company own it and do nothing else.
2.About 20 steps of bureaucracy from a government so inept it makes the US government look efficient. If you're lucky you'll have permanent residence after 2 10+ day trips to Ukraine and at least a year of waiting on the government. That is the best case scenario, all of those numbers could easily double.
3.Wait 5 years to apply for citizenship and bribe someone to actually process it.

That doesn't sound preferable to an honest business that makes you money and gets you the Russian passport at least 2 years faster. OTOH, if there's a way to use Ukraine's governmental corruption to my advantage and I can get the passport today for 100 grand sign me up right now. I'll take it directly to the Russian consulate for a free upgrade.

The most money I have ever lost due to scammers is in Ukraine. I can confidently say they are worse than Nigerians
Since I am not politically correct, I can also disclose that at second place of my list of scammers I find Lithuania. Coincidence? Or birds of a feather flock together?
Anyway, I would never trust any Ukrainian bureaucrat with a bribe, especially now. Most likely, he will just pocket it without doing nothing for you.

 

[KalasZX]

Never trust a guy that would take a bribe to keep his end of the bargain, especially in a place known for corruption. Payment on delivery, after you watch him put everything through to your (and potentially your lawyer's) satisfaction.

 

[pixbix]

I can speak russian, but i would never try to get a russian ,ukranian , moldavian passport. even if you can get married after 1 day there. why ?

you will have to server in the army for 1 year

Also you will have to "

• To renounce the nationality of origin, except in cases where Russia has concluded agreements with its states with certain states."

Does Russia accept dual citizenship?​

According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation and more precisely Article 62 and Article 6, Russian dual citizenship is allowed, but there are also clear conditions in this case. Russian dual citizenship is allowed only if Russia has reached an agreement with that country, and only two countries, namely Turkmenistan and Tajikistan, are involved. Otherwise, citizens who want to obtain citizenship in Russia are forced to renounce the original citizenship.

On the other hand, Russian citizens who obtain foreign citizenship in another country do not have to give up their country of origin. However, they are obliged to notify the Russian General Directorate of Migratory Affairs. More about Russian dual citizenship and formalities for 2022 can be offered by our specialists who can also help you relocate to Russia.

The most money I have ever lost due to scammers is in Ukraine. I can confidently say they are worse than Nigerians
Since I am not politically correct, I can also disclose that at second place of my list of scammers I find Lithuania. Coincidence? Or birds of a feather flock together?
Anyway, I would never trust any Ukrainian bureaucrat with a bribe, especially now. Most likely, he will just pocket it without doing nothing for you.

tell us more

 

[AlexGE]

Being included in the “other” part of the world, which is the bigger one. The wind is changing.

Get an asian\chinese then.. something that doesn't trigger all the bells in the banks

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Get an asian\chinese then.. something that doesn't trigger all the bells in the banks

A Chinese passport? Lol
Btw you are not allowed to hold a second citizenship if you are Chinese

 

[KalasZX]

Russia did away with forcing you to renounce other citizenships in 2020. Prior to that it wasn't legally binding, like Singapore asking if you renounce any other citizenships as part of their naturalization process. Russian agents don't go with you to the US embassy and watch you go through all of the legal hoops of expatriation before naturalizing you. However, Russia does not recognize your other citizenships. This is a subtle, but important, distinction. Let's say you have Netherlands and Russian passports. You then get the idea that doing recreational drugs in Russia is a good idea and get caught. Russia will not entertain any whining about your "medical meth" being prescribed by your blue-haired Amsterdam "doctor." See the 60 IQ female basketball player they sent to jail for drugs as an example. Put another way, you can't be a Russian citizen when it's convenient and hide behind another passport when it's convenient. You will have to operate within the confines of Russian law when in Russia, which should be obvious to anyone with common sense.

The Russian military draft only applies to men 18-27. If you're in that age range and have the money and foresight to purchase additional nationalities, all I can say is bravo. Start your Russian company when you're 25 and you're golden.

 

[TheCryptoAnt]

What's the point to get a Russian passport?
You'll have to report it to the banks and that might get you in trouble.

Diversification. Having access to the 'other side' is valuable.

You only report it if you want to.

 

[AlexGE]

A Chinese passport? Lol
Btw you are not allowed to hold a second citizenship if you are Chinese

Diversification. Having access to the 'other side' is valuable.

You only report it if you want to.

What other side are you talking about? can you please give an example ?

 

[369]

I told you guys long time ago to focus more on russia which will be the new standard
Thats also why i like mauritius citizenship as it gives access to russia
i will post some more about russia when i have some time but russia is worth haveing access because of the future wealth of their citizens and more important to have a contra access to western block.
Just have a look what a killing you could have made with buying russian stocks for peanuts in western exchanges and submitting them to your russian accounts

 

[TheCryptoAnt]

What other side are you talking about? can you please give an example ?

The non USA aligned world

 

[AlexGE]

The non USA aligned world

sorry to say but that doesn't sound like an example ..

 

[GeneralGogol]

Every Russian with half a dollar in his pocket is desperately trying to get another passport and escape the hellhole that is Russia and people here want to get their passport

I wonder how long until someone here asks how to get a North Korean passport, you know, to have a backup plan on the "other side"