Serious, do you consider Telegram to be secure and private?

[GiGoGo]

Anything that asks for your phone number and your contacts is not taking your privacy seriously

 

[Sulu]

What about surespot? You don't need to identify your phone number

Used it, seems good. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it was running behind on development... does it have modern features?

 

[Sulu]

telegram is also open source guys
it is as safe as any cloud storage, true
but there are private chats that go p2p only

Note entirely true, because it is not entirely open-source. Part of their infrastructure (server side I believe) is proprietary, which is a huge issue for privacy reasons.

 

[santogrial]

Signal messenger (open source)

Another option would be an encro phone but this only works if your business partners have encro phones as well. An encro phone costs around 1500€ for 6 months.

U still think so?

 

[sebastian]

Wickr is the new "secure and privacte" messanger.

 

[M4S]

Wickr is the new "secure and privacte" messanger.

Now owned by AWS, hard to find something that isn't controlled by Big Tech

 

[Hrtc]

"Session" seems to be a decent alternative, end to end encryption and no phone number.

 

[santogrial]

"Session" seems to be a decent alternative, end to end encryption and no phone number.

Session doesn't route attachments, but stores them on the server.
Sessions is a comp from Australia, and Aus has the most aggressive approach on e2e, so I think its a decent alternative, but not the best.
If I had to choose I would go for an app without cental server. I can assure you any app that has a server no matter how encrypted can be cracked and read by authorities if persistent enough. And this happened recently. Image below explains a lot for confused users.

 

[reallyawesome1111]

Signal and Signal forks like Session are the best. Signal has proven cryptography and sealed sender means that they couldn't get metadata even if they wanted to. Signal also has an open source server and client. Wickr only has open sourced their cryptography library and Threema only has open sourced their client. The best is XMPP with OMEMO but that's pretty difficult for normal people to set up and it doesn't work as good on mobile. Just register Signal using a burner phone or Account activations via SMS | Receive SMS online | Smspva or a similar phone verification service.

 

[369]

telegram owner is a member of the WEF

There is a nice blockchain p2p app called crypviser which is outside of officals radar because its so unpopular.
Its even working in Dubai or China

 

[santogrial]

Signal and Signal forks like Session are the best. Signal has proven cryptography and sealed sender means that they couldn't get metadata even if they wanted to. Signal also has an open source server and client. Wickr only has open sourced their cryptography library and Threema only has open sourced their client. The best is XMPP with OMEMO but that's pretty difficult for normal people to set up and it doesn't work as good on mobile. Just register Signal using a burner phone or Account activations via SMS | Receive SMS online | Smspva or a similar phone verification service.

Signal lately hosts its server with Amazon so I would be careful.
Use P2P with VPN for max security better.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Session doesn't route attachments, but stores them on the server.
Sessions is a comp from Australia, and Aus has the most aggressive approach on e2e, so I think its a decent alternative, but not the best.
If I had to choose I would go for an app without cental server. I can assure you any app that has a server no matter how encrypted can be cracked and read by authorities if persistent enough. And this happened recently. Image below explains a lot for confused users.

So Jami, Tox and Briar should be the best ones? Which of the 3 is the bestest?

 

[santogrial]

So Jami, Tox and Briar should be the best ones? Which of the 3 is the bestest?

For extreme privacy i would go with Briar, limited user options, but for the sake of anonymity and privacy. Conversations is more user friendly.

 

[369]

crypviser way better than briar
no middle men attack possible which briar is not capable to provide also p2p and no centralized server .
There is even a message bomb feature which destroyes messages from both devices after x time

 

[RealDude]

So Jami, Tox and Briar should be the best ones? Which of the 3 is the bestest?

Jami

 

[santogrial]

crypviser way better than briar
no middle men attack possible which briar is not capable to provide also p2p and no centralized server .
There is even a message bomb feature which destroyes messages from both devices after x time

U talking about briar or cryptviser in the desc? Since u described briar and you wrote cryptviser lot better

 

[TheCryptoAnt]

Do you consider Telegram to be secure and private?​

Mostly not but for most things is ok. Most gray biz deals dont need turbo maximum impenetrable communication systems anyway.

 

[wellington]

Its full of scams, hucksters, terrorists, child porn... etc... I'd hazard it's pretty 'secure/safe' - but is tied to a mobile number (physical or digital).


Somewhere there will be data-linkage etc.

 

[santogrial]

Politie achterhaalde telefoonnummer van Telegram-groep

In een onderzoek naar illegaal vuurwerk in Rotterdam heeft de recherche een telefoonnummer achterhaald dat is gekoppeld aan een groepsaccount van Telegram, zo blijkt uit dossierstukken die Crimesite heeft ingezien. Dat is opvallend omdat de populaire encryptiedienst juist pretendeert de privacy...

www.crimesite.nl

 

[myhand]

Its full of scams, hucksters, terrorists, child porn... etc... I'd hazard it's pretty 'secure/safe' - but is tied to a mobile number (physical or digital).


Somewhere there will be data-linkage etc.

What you list there may be the case for all anonymous and secure messengers ?!