The new world order

[JohnnyDoe]

List of countries not imposing economic sanctions against Russia
(list not exhaustive)

Moscow partners in the BRICS group (Brazil, India, China, South Africa). 41% of the world population.
The countries of OSC (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan).
Azerbaijan and Moldova have abandoned anti-Russian restrictions. But the most surprising position is Georgia!
Latin America (Mexico, Argentina, Venezuela, Guatemala, Colombia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Chile, Peru).
The Middle East (Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Iran).
The Balkans (Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina).
Hungary, yet a member of the European Union.

 

[Martin Everson]

Good old Venezuela. A country where the US picked a guy of the street and said they recognize him as the new legitimate president to Venezuela and not Maduro. The US attempted to overthrow the elected government.

Fast forward and now here the US is holding talks with Venezuela over energy supplies...lol. The US sanctioned them now wants to talk energy as gas prices rocket.

Well at least the Europeans can't talk to Venezuela as the national oil company moved its European headquarters to MOSCOW after US imposed sanctions .

Not sure what Venezuela will do with US but I hope they tell the US to go whistle. The US had their gold seized that was held in bank of England and froze other funds why should they now do US a favour to help them with inflation? Anyway Russia will have a say in those talks maybe but Venezuela will do what is in its national interest.

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US envoys held energy talks with Venezuela’s Maduro: W.House​

The White House said Monday that a US delegation held weekend talks in Venezuela with the government of President Nicolas Maduro that included a discussion of energy supplies — as Washington looks for ways to reduce its imports of Russian oil.

https://www.digitaljournal.com/busi...-talks-with-venezuelas-maduro-w-house/article

 

[Marzio]

But the most surprising position is Georgia!

Why? What's Georgia's position?

 

[Martin Everson]

Interesting question. Russia is Georgia's second biggest trading partner after China. Not sure if this news is up to date or accurate in light of recent events so take with pinch of salt.

https://eurasianet.org/georgia-says-it-wont-join-international-sanctions-against-russia

 

[Marzio]

Russia is Georgia's second biggest trading partner after China.

They have free trade agreement with China and EU but obviously they also want to keep Russia as their business partner so people can protest how much they want but the government imho is doing the right thing for their people.

 

[Martin Everson]

Yup smart prime minister putting the countries economic interests first. The EU and US is doing exactly the same.

https://www.oreanda.ru/en/gosudarst...pose-sanctions-against-russia/article1413922/

 

[RealDude]

China's Xi calls for 'maximum restraint' in Ukraine​

Xi, speaking at a virtual meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, said the three countries should jointly support peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, Chinese state broadcaster CCTV reported.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-xi-calls-maximum-restraint-ukraine-2022-03-08/

 

[Martin Everson]

That's called an inward Chinese laugh at Europe's self inflicted wounds sadly .

 

[Golden Fleece]

The US attempted to overthrow the elected government.

Elected Government? In Venezuela? Under socialism?

By your standards, I suppose that China, North Korea, and Cuba all have elected governments. I think that the USG was trying to set the people of Venezuela free from their decades of socialist misery.

 

[RealDude]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/rat...icans-after-talks-with-us-sources-2022-03-09/

 

[Martin Everson]

Elected Government? In Venezuela? Under socialism?

I guess facts don't matter to you which is sad . Whether you like Maduro or not he was elected in 2013 with over 50% of the vote and again in 2018 with over 65% of the vote. Please stop spreading fake news it makes you really look bad.

By your standards, I suppose that China, North Korea, and Cuba all have elected governments.

I don't know if your trying to be funny but its very odd thing for you to compare Venezuela to these countries. But then I guess facts don't matter to you just emotion.

 

[369]

Elected Government? In Venezuela? Under socialism?

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By your standards, I suppose that China, North Korea, and Cuba all have elected governments. I think that the USG was trying to set the people of Venezuela free from their decades of socialist misery.

China is also under communism.You belive the people there didn't voted for their party ?Seems you have no clue of the chinese cultur.Try to implement there your view and see how fast the vast majority will kick you out.
Yanukovich was also elected.Did you ever saw a claim from the west that the voting was rigged ?
Do you belive in western votings where majority voted for SPD/Gruene/FDP ?
Cause i can't .I don't know a single person who would vote for gruene but hey it fits the agenda 2030 right ?

Did you ever experienced a communist country like chile/poland in the 80's/venezuela yourself ?
I guess not else you wouldn't compare them with north korea and co.

 

[Golden Fleece]

I guess facts don't matter to you which is sad . Whether you like Maduro or not he was elected in 2013 with over 50% of the vote and again in 2018 with over 65% of the vote. Please stop spreading fake news it makes you really look bad.



I don't know if your trying to be funny but its very odd thing for you to compare Venezuela to these countries. But then I guess facts don't matter to you just emotion.

There are no free elections in communist and socialist countries. You are an intelligent man, so I am not sure whether you are just pranking me -- or you truly have no idea what is going on.

The electoral conditions were so deplorable that most of the opposition—which gained a majority in the Assembly in a landslide election five years ago—chose not to vote this year. Voter turnout was estimated at about 31 percent, compared to 74 percent in the 2015 parliamentary elections.

Even before the elections happened, the results had been condemned by the United States, Canada, the Organization of American States, the European Union, and 18 member states of the Lima Group. Since Sunday, 45 countries have announced that they will not recognize the results.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/international-response-venezuelas-rigged-parliamentary-elections
The entire EU and almost every North American and South American country condemned the Venezuelan elections for no reason? Just for fun?

 

[369]

There are no free elections in communist and socialist countries. You are an intelligent man, so I am not sure whether you are just pranking me -- or you truly have no idea what is going on.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/international-response-venezuelas-rigged-parliamentary-elections
The entire EU and almost every North American and South American country condemned the Venezuelan elections for no reason? Just for fun?

I don't belive elections in US and EU.You wanna tell me they are not rigged ?

 

[Golden Fleece]

I don't belive elections in US and EU.You wanna tell me they are not rigged ?

There are always shenanigans. That is the nature of politics. But what happened in Venezuela, you cannot even call those elections. There literally were no elections within the ordinary meaning of that word. It was a brazen socialist takeover of the government, which explains the worldwide condemnation.

 

[369]

There are always shenanigans. That is the nature of politics. But what happened in Venezuela, you cannot even call those elections. There literally were no elections within the ordinary meaning of that word. It was a brazen socialist takeover of the government, which explains the worldwide condemnation.

No diffrence to germany/EU.You create a real movement like the pirates in 2006 and achive some serious success your leadership will be instantly invited to meet people in us secret services.
Once this happen your political direction somehow magicly changes 180 degrees.

 

[Martin Everson]

There are no free elections in communist and socialist countries. You are an intelligent man, so I am not sure whether you are just pranking me -- or you truly have no idea what is going on.

I guess you don't want to accept facts. There is very little I can do about that sadly. I can only hope you can channel your blind hatred for facts into something more constructive then a misguided framing of events sadly .

The entire EU and almost every North American and South American country condemned the Venezuelan elections for no reason? Just for fun?

Condemnation is not evidence and never has been. I thought you were a smart debater but I guess not .

 

[Golden Fleece]

I guess you don't want to accept facts. There is very little I can do about that sadly. I can only hope you can channel your blind hatred for facts into something more constructive then a misguided framing of events sadly .



Condemnation is not evidence and never has been. I thought you were a smart debater but I guess not .

Well, you have not presented any facts that the elections were legitimate (I just re-read your previous posts and there are no facts, just claims). So, using your very own standard you just accused yourself.

At least in my case, I presented the fact that dozens of nations of the world found the elections illegitimate. By contrast, you presented no facts at all. Yet, you erroneously claimed that I am the one who presented no facts, when it was you who did so. That is exactly how people "debate" in socialist regimes.

 

[EuroKiss]

I guess you don't want to accept facts. There is very little I can do about that sadly. I can only hope you can channel your blind hatred for facts into something more constructive then a misguided framing of events sadly .



Condemnation is not evidence and never has been. I thought you were a smart debater but I guess not .

Maduro lost Parliament elections and recognized that. Elections in 2018 were partially rigged, but at least they had to distribute some fake documents to increase their votes, Brandon in the USA didn’t even have to simulate that!

 

[Martin Everson]

Maduro lost Parliament elections and recognized that. Elections in 2018 were partially rigged, but at least they had to distribute some fake documents to increase their votes, Brandon in the USA didn’t even have to simulate that!

lol....as someone who lives in a developing country (that's a banana republic for those that are slow), Swiss elections is something you will never get sadly.

The trick to having an election declared fair is to have a pro US candidate win ...."nothing to see he won lets move on".

P.S Thats why Afghanistan and Iraq etc ended up with successive corrupt pro western puppets until recently...lol. Anyway back to topic.