Russian President Putin announces military operation in Ukraine

[polonieth]

Should Ukraine capitulate?

Well, they had a peace deal on the table in April. Which would have ended it. But the USA (CFR) said no. We want to use you to weaken Russia, and we don't care how many of you die; here's some cash and some weapons.

Right now, someone from their military needs to take out Zelensky, imprison the neo nazi Bandera nationalistic element as the start of erasing that idealogy and then unconditionally surrender based on the terms set by Russia. I believe Russia would be willing to let them retain Odessa, so they are not dead economically.

If not, Ukraine will cease to exist as a nation-state, and the lives lost will rise significantly. Many Russian soldiers will die, but tenfold Ukrainians will die, and they will be all but destroyed.

 

[backpacker]

Should Ukraine capitulate?

No.
Both parties (RU + UA) should finally come to sense and enter into serious peace talks.
What is currently going on is just a proxy war: The West uses Ukariane as a weapons lab -> https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-lab/index.html
and what they do now with delivering tanks (and other heavy weapnary not mentioned to the wider public) will lead to an even more brutal war, most likely eding in the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
History will judge about this war and it's active participants (the allied West & UA + RU) in a not very favourable way.

 

[polonieth]

No.
Both parties (RU + UA) should finally come to sense and enter into serious peace talks.
What is currently going on is just a proxy war: The West uses Ukariane as a weapons lab -> https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-lab/index.html
and what they do now with delivering tanks (and other heavy weapnary not mentioned to the wider public) will lead to an even more brutal war, most likely eding in the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
History will judge about this war and it's active participants (the allied West & UA + RU) in a not very favourable way.

Unfortunately, peace talks are long gone, They were there in April and close to being signed, but the west (by sending Boris Johnson to Kiev) killed any idea of that happening.

The CFR and its NATO puppets, have shown they cannot be trusted, so they are not going to negotiate with proven liars. The only outcome is either unconditional surrender or Ukraine being destroyed.

And what happens during that process is anyone's guess, it depends on how stupid the USA can get. How stupid Poland gets (they want Galicia back), and how much these non-entity Baltic states keep thinking they are tough.

 

[RealDude]

Обстрел Макеевки: там погибло больше военных, чем сообщило минобороны России - BBC News Русская служба​

Обстрел Макеевки: там погибло больше военных, чем сообщило минобороны России - BBC News Русская служба

На основе открытых источников Би-би-си удалось установить имена 92 российских военных, погибших при обстреле ПТУ в Макеевке рядом с Донецком. Это на три человека больше, чем цифра погибших, названная минобороны России. Семьи еще по меньшей мере 16 военных не могут найти их ни среди мертвых...

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[John Spectre]

russland warns Germany:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1617969995484647424

 

[RealDude]

russland warns Germany:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1617969995484647424

Müssen wir jetzt Angst haben

 

[RealDude]

Ukraine demands jets and missiles​

Ukraine demands jets and missiles

Kiev urged Western countries to send fighter jets and long-range missiles hours after Berlin and Washington said they would supply tanks

www.rt.com

 

[RealDude]

Top US arms maker ready to provide Kiev with F-16s​

Top US arms maker ready to provide Kiev with F-16s – FT

US-based weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin says it’s ready to provide F-16 fighter jets to countries willing to transfer them to Ukraine

www.rt.com

 

[RealDude]

Emergency news

Putin wears High Heels!

 

[DagnyDark]

The only outcome is either unconditional surrender or Ukraine being destroyed.

Speaking of unconditional surrender, do you mean the surrender of Russia?

 

[polonieth]

Speaking of unconditional surrender, do you mean the surrender of Russia?

I love how NAFO s**t munchers sign up to post absolute garbage.

Yeah of course I mean that, the side who is winning often surrenders.

 

[John Spectre]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618286141903630337

 

[DagnyDark]

Yeah of course I mean that, the side who is winning often surrenders.

Are they winning? LOL. Open DeepStateMap and see the real state of affairs. They have not been able to capture the small town of Bakhmut (with a population of 70k people) for half a year already.
The only big city they could take was Kherson and they surrendered it. So who wins?

I love how NAFO s**t munchers sign up to post absolute garbage.

My dear, I live 30 km from the front line and I know the situation very well.

And yes, there will be no nuclear war, even when Ukrainians enter Crimea. You can breathe out.

 

[polonieth]

Are they winning? LOL. Open DeepStateMap and see the real state of affairs. They have not been able to capture the small town of Bakhmut (with a population of 70k people) for half a year already.
The only big city they could take was Kherson and they surrendered it. So who wins?


My dear, I live 30 km from the front line and I know the situation very well.

And yes, there will be no nuclear war, even when Ukrainians enter Crimea. You can breathe out.

You think success is determined by territory taken. Russia clearly doesn't see it that way. Note their staged objectives, it never contained land mass. It was denazify and demilitarise. They've been working on that without even needing to advance as Ukraine keeps sending troops into the meat grinder.

Bakmhut is one of the most heavily fortified towns, and it will fall. Ukraine has wasted thousands and thousands of lives defending that place. They keep pouring thousands into it too, it's a place of huge significance.

The Russians did capture Soledar though, right? I guess this was strategically irrelevant as claimed by western sources, I'm sure you will concur.

And Kherson was not surrendered. Please be factual. Russia withdrew, with minimum losses to preserve life.

Ukraine has lost ~200k men, probably more in my opinion. Russia around 30k. That ratio is unsustainable. Only one side is winning.

 

[Buratino]

Mr. Polonieth is a big fan of Russian tv or a professional troll. As we know from russian TV, Russia is still the mistress of the seas, the first in space, the leader in the world in terms of GDP, and the US dollar and America will soon die, EUR is waste, and Europe is frozen from the cold and immigrants from EU are storming the borders of Belarus and Russia in the hope of surviving. Therefore, in Russia, mobilization is again (it is not clear where the first and second waves of the collected idiots have gone), and on the territory of Ukraine they are at war with NATO and personally with America. )) We saw this all in USSR already by local tv too

 

[backpacker]

And yes, there will be no nuclear war, even when Ukrainians enter Crimea. You can breathe out.

Unfortunately, you're wrong.
Note: It's dangerously naive to trust in the monstrous propaganda machines of both RU and UA.

 

[RealDude]

I'm amazed at how many scaredy cats are on the forum here.

 

[polonieth]

Mr. Polonieth is a big fan of Russian tv or a professional troll. As we know from russian TV, Russia is still the mistress of the seas, the first in space, the leader in the world in terms of GDP, and the US dollar and America will soon die, EUR is waste, and Europe is frozen from the cold and immigrants from EU are storming the borders of Belarus and Russia in the hope of surviving. Therefore, in Russia, mobilization is again (it is not clear where the first and second waves of the collected idiots have gone), and on the territory of Ukraine they are at war with NATO and personally with America. )) We saw this all in USSR already by local tv too

Yup, never able to counter any points, just go for the troll or propaganda lines.

They never have any information that's well-sourced or corroborated anywhere. Just ad hominem nonsense.

 

[DagnyDark]

полониет​

You are in an absolute information bubble

It was denazify and demilitarise.

You make me very happy with your statements. And how is the progress?
A huge number of Ukrainians who have spoken Russian all their lives have switched to Ukrainian and refuse everything connected with Russia.
Over the year, Ukraine has risen from 22nd to 15th place in the global ranking of the strongest armies in the world according to the international organization Global Firepower.

The Russians did capture Soledar though, right?

Soledar
Area: 12.31 km²
Population: 10,867 (2020)
Until Russia made a big deal out of capturing this small town, few people knew where he was at all.

Russia around 30k.

30k? I think it makes no sense for me to talk about something with you, since you write false facts without any confirmation.
There are enough independent sources on the Internet that photos and videos confirm that the number of losses is much greater.

Unfortunately, you're wrong.
Note: It's dangerously naive to trust in the monstrous propaganda machines of both RU and UA.

Oh, I'm not subject to all this brainwashing from whatever side it comes. Only facts. Only critical thinking.
Putin is not an idiot and not a suicide. This is a poker game. This is a bluff. And many fell for it.

 

[polonieth]

полониет​

You are in an absolute information bubble

You make me very happy with your statements. And how is the progress?
A huge number of Ukrainians who have spoken Russian all their lives have switched to Ukrainian and refuse everything connected with Russia.
Over the year, Ukraine has risen from 22nd to 15th place in the global ranking of the strongest armies in the world according to the international organization Global Firepower.


Soledar
Area: 12.31 km²
Population: 10,867 (2020)
Until Russia made a big deal out of capturing this small town, few people knew where he was at all.


30k? I think it makes no sense for me to talk about something with you, since you write false facts without any confirmation.
There are enough independent sources on the Internet that photos and videos confirm that the number of losses is much greater.

Strongest armies in the world? The Ukrainian army has nothing left. They have been decimated.

Anyone who can think knows this, even the western talking heads, tacitly admit it in interviews. Look at Zalouhzny's comments too

I knew you would dismiss Soledar as irrelevant. Here are the stages in the news cycle before it was captured:

Who are the independent sources?