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marioIT

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It's getting every day more scary... I'd like to fill this thread with news about the (decadent) land of the free and hear your opinion about the issue.
I am not American, so would like to hear some opinions about it.

The latest one:

this "infrastructure" bill includes a measure mandating vehicle backdoor kill-switches in every car by 2026. The clause is intended to increase vehicle safety by "passively monitoring the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired,
by 2026, vehicles sold in the US will be required to automatically and silently record various metrics of driver performance, and then make a decision, absent any human oversight, whether the owner will be allowed to use their own vehicle. Even worse, the measure goes on to require that the system be "open" to remote access by "authorized" third parties at any time.

just random sources:

There were news about EU pushing on this in 2014, but it looks like USA Dems took a step forward.
 

369

Entrepreneur
New cars like Tesla are already monitoring everything you do inside the car.If you cause an accident and its your fault Tesla even has no problem to send the data to the judge so it can be used against you.
Everything indicates that they want to make self driving very unattractiv.
I remember having seen sableska in a TV show like 12 years ago where they were talking about self driving cars where moderators claimed its way way in the future were she replied its already coming in the next 10-15 years and that "they" want to make cars more efficience because today a normal car is being only used by 5% and the rest of the time its in the garage.
So they want to increase it to 20% so every 4 families will share on average one car.
We are already trained using these apps via uber etc
Also you may have noticed in western countries parking spots are getting liquidated to make parking in the city more and more a headache.
Prices for parking and false driving and insurance are being massivly increased so its getting more and more unattractiv to own an own car.

Welcome to the new epoche.
 

Golden Fleece

Entrepreneur
What is the point of this thread? You can read negative news about every nation on the planet. And most of the crazy legislation proposed by fruitcake legislators in the U.S. never becomes law.

What is important is the trajectory of the level of freedom in a nation. Unfortunately, in the U.S. -- just like almost every other Western European nation -- that trend is down. Yet, the U.S. has a number of things going for it in that regard. Don't like the crazy socialism of states such as California, New York, or New Jersey? Then move to a much more free state, such as Texas, Florida, or North or South Dakota. In fact, there are fifty states from which to choose. Many of them are quite conservative.

Companies also move themselves to attain more freedom. For example, Smith & Wesson, a gunmaker founded in 1852 and located in Springfield, Massachusetts for over 170 years will soon relocate its headquarters from Massachusetts to gun-friendly Tennessee in a $125 million investment expected to create 750 jobs.


Remington Firearms, which operated in New York for over 200 years, will soon move its headquarters to Georgia and will open a factory and research operation there. The company and Georgia officials announced that the gun manufacturer, which started in Herkimer County, New York in 1816, would invest $100 million in the operation in LaGrange, Georgia, hiring 856 people over five years.


Also important is the government structure of a nation and the resilience of its people before a downward trajectory of the loss of freedoms begins. For example, up until 20 or 30 years ago, I would have said that the U.S. and Canada were equally free, but Canada has become a socialist cesspool under the rule of the Liberal Party with the loss of gun rights, free speech rights, and religious freedom rights. Why? Because Canada does not have a Bill of Rights that enshrines those basic human rights in its Constitution. That structural defect has destroyed freedom in Canada. The U.K. has the same problem. It has no written Constitution.

As a realist, I understand both the positive and negative aspects of living and working in the U.S. But you must look at all aspects of a country's pros and cons. If there was a zombie apocalypse, there is no place I would prefer to live than in a rural compound in some remote area of the U.S. with like-minded individuals.
 

uplana

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What is the point of this thread? You can read negative news about every nation on the planet. And most of the crazy legislation proposed by fruitcake legislators in the U.S. never becomes law.
Ì totally agree. Personally I like the USA and know many people who are happy to live there as expats on a green card - they will never go back to their home country.
 

Cocopops

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Where are they from Slovakia, Somalia or Afghanistan? ns2

I would avoid the US like the plague.
Actually in the western world the USA are still one of the best option, I come from west europe and it is obviously better to live in the US than in UK or france. You have to choose the good state and the good city but if you do this, you are not so bad.
 

RealDude

Entrepreneur
Actually in the western world the USA are still one of the best option, I come from west europe and it is obviously better to live in the US than in UK or france. You have to choose the good state and the good city but if you do this, you are not so bad.
I live and grew up in western europe, part of my family lives in SoCal. I would never want to trade places with them.
 

Golden Fleece

Entrepreneur
I live and grew up in western europe, part of my family lives in SoCal. I would never want to trade places with them.
If you do not explain why, then you may as well not have made your comment. No one cares about mere opinions that are devoid of fact, evidence, or reason. Critical thinking requires logical support of an assertion.
 

Golden Fleece

Entrepreneur
Only in America. Sometimes you should think twice before even visiting that place :rolleyes:.

Yes, that never happens anywhere else. :rolleyes:

A 12-year-old bystander killed by a stray bullet is being remembered as an “active and engaging boy” as police Tuesday announced they have made a third arrest in the brazen, daytime shooting in Toronto’s northwest end.


The simply fact is that to avoid most crime in any Western nation all you need to do is avoid the worst parts of the largest cities -- where the urban underclass lives. In fact, more than 99% of the landmass of the United States is far safer than most of Europe. Just avoid the high crimes areas.
 

Martin Everson

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Canada? :rolleyes:

No thank you to gun countries or North America or Mexico.


Look at mass shootings in America this year


Look at past years eek¤%&


Only in America :rolleyes:
 

Golden Fleece

Entrepreneur
Well, name most any country -- and I will show you an act of violent murder there.

I lived my entire life in the U.S. and I only encountered one random act of violence during that time. It was an attempted mugging (or worse) after dark in the (then) murder capital of New England. It was not a place where I lived, but I had business there. But because I was armed, nothing happened. That is yet another side-benefit of living in the U.S. I did not even need to show my firearm, I just shoved my hand into my pocket (although I was ready to use it). Three pair of eyes flicked toward my hand. The mere fact that I might have a gun made three gang-bangers walk away.

"An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject.” John Adams.
 

Golden Fleece

Entrepreneur
Canada? :rolleyes:

No thank you to gun countries or North America or Mexico.


Look at mass shootings in America this year


Look at past years eek¤%&


Only in America :rolleyes:

So, now you cite false statistics from a socialist pro-gun-control web site? By contrast, I will cite an actual scientific study that refutes your false thesis:

By our count, the US makes up less than 1.43% of the mass public shooters, 2.11% of their murders, and 2.88% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than in other countries, they are also much less deadly on average.
 
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Martin Everson

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The US has clearly affected your thinking sadly. The US is around 5% of the worlds population but has nearly 25% of the entire planets prison population housed in its prisons. It is technical and statistically a nation of criminals. To say the following is not normal:

An armed society is a polite society.

The statistics don't lie. The fact you had to own a gun tells me all I need to know sadly. Every American I have met does not seem to grasp the simple concept that it is not normal to have a first world society where you need to own a gun for your own protection.

P.S I am off to walk down the street now without needing to carry a gun for my protection. Have a good evening cig-:,
 

Golden Fleece

Entrepreneur
The US has clearly affected your thinking sadly. The US is around 5% of the worlds population but has nearly 25% of the entire planets prison population housed in its prisons. It is technical and statistically a nation of criminals.

In a debate, abandoning the topic and turning the subject to another random issue is called deflection.

The statistics don't lie.

That is exactly why I posted that scientific paper, establishing that mass shootings and murders are actually lower in the U.S. based on its share of the world's population. It is interesting how you claim not to believe the lies of the socialist media, but then suddenly believe its lies when it comes to gun crime in the U.S.

The fact you had to own a gun tells me all I need to know sadly. Every American I have met does not seem to grasp the simple concept that it is not normal to have a first world society where you need to own a gun for your own protection.
When you give up your right to own a firearm against government tyranny, you also give up your freedom and liberties. That is why, on an objective basis, every other first world nation is less free than the U.S. in terms of the major God-given natural rights, whether it is political freedom, free speech, freedom to practice your religion, self-defense, due process, etc.

Sure, the U.S. has many problems, just like every other country. But in the U.S., men do not need to stand by impotently while groups of men invade their homes and gang rape their wives and daughters. Good luck trying to stop such an attack while barehanded.
 
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