Panama vs. UAE Residency: Is Panama Still Worth It?

latindev said:

Get salty all you want I don't give a s**t cuz I don't live of opening companies for others like you so I don't care if people want to live or not in an specific place.

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Wrong.

Fred said:

Wrong.

What happened to Fred ? Why his profile pics is Black ? For what is protesting

@JohnLocke Is everything fine between you ? What is going on with @Fred Why his profile pics is in black? For What he is protesting ? or something else ? DLS Dubai statement about New Corporate tax is also gone.... What is going on ? really curious ?

www.offshorecorptalk.com

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Sure, same point of my comment but let's change the phrasing to: "Get salty all you want I don't give a s**t cuz I don't live of convincing people of entering my "inner circle" like every other cult so I don't care if people want to live or not in an specific place."

The only thing I cared about was correcting your false statements about a panama residence with the examples you gave so others have the correct information and at least there are users like @JackAlabama who have more knowledge about it and can say something without entering into fallacies like you

latindev said:

Sure, same point of my comment but let's change the phrasing to: "Get salty all you want I don't give a s**t cuz I don't live of convincing people of entering my "inner circle" like every other cult so I don't care if people want to live or not in an specific place."

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Wrong.

The Inner Circle is for former DLS Dubai Clients - my bad I "convinced" them already in the past.

What's wrong with making existing clients aware of an Inner Circle so that they can have a straightforward and well filtered way of communication and exchange at the same time allowing me to share what I'm personal doing.

I see you have adopted the Latin American ignorance already quite well and you are perfectly parked in Panama.

For everyone who actually reads this - don't underestimate the Panama drawback to your Financial Institutions and in General to your wealth. Even when you send a EUR SWIFT Transfer with a Switzerland Bank having a Panama Address or Company on file can lead to issues in the Correspondent Network.

Just ask yourself what's the potential issue to your Financial Institutions and Investments having a Residence in a Country which is since almost a half decade on the FATF Grey List and Black List of the EU+ situated in South America.

If you want to live in Panama - go ahead and do so why not? But I strongly advise you to not connect Panama to your Financial Institutions and Investments - get another Residence for the Banking side of things.

Fred said:

Wrong.

The Inner Circle is for former DLS Dubai Clients - my bad I "convinced" them already in the past.

What's wrong with making existing clients aware of an Inner Circle so that they can have a straightforward and well filtered way of communication and exchange at the same time allowing me to share what I'm personal doing.

I see you have adopted the Latin American ignorance already quite well and you are perfectly parked in Panama.

For everyone who actually reads this - don't underestimate the Panama drawback to your Financial Institutions and in General to your wealth. Even when you send a EUR SWIFT Transfer with a Switzerland Bank having a Panama Address or Company on file can lead to issues in the Correspondent Network.

Just ask yourself what's the potential issue to your Financial Institutions and Investments having a Residence in a Country which is since almost a half decade on the FATF Grey List and Black List of the EU+ situated in South America.

If you want to live in Panama - go ahead and do so why not? But I strongly advise you to not connect Panama to your Financial Institutions and Investments - get another Residence for the Banking side of things.

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It seems that you have a lot of knowledge about UAE, but you should accept that you're not in a position to talk about Panama at all. For starters, you keep referring to Panama and El Salvador as countries in South America, which is the first sign of extreme ignorance about the region.

Other than that, and again, I understand that you have lots of happy (ex) clients in the UAE, so maybe you should stick to UAE affairs.

scooterguy said:

It seems that you have a lot of knowledge about UAE, but you should accept that you're not in a position to talk about Panama at all. For starters, you keep referring to Panama and El Salvador as countries in South America, which is the first sign of extreme ignorance about the region.

Other than that, and again, I understand that you have lots of happy (ex) clients in the UAE, so maybe you should stick to UAE affairs.

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Not less guys were relocating from Panama to the UAE - and men what I have seen here - unbelievable - that's were I#m coming from.

El Salvador was an example because they were shilling as the Blockchain Paradise here and in General since 2020/2021.

I thought I do something good for the people considering Panama but it looks like it's not well seen here.

All good and all the best.

Fred said:

Wrong.

The Inner Circle is for former DLS Dubai Clients - my bad I "convinced" them already in the past.

What's wrong with making existing clients aware of an Inner Circle so that they can have a straightforward and well filtered way of communication and exchange at the same time allowing me to share what I'm personal doing.

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I seriously don't know if you are just straight stupid or are just trolling me by acting as if you don't understanding the point of the comment.

Fred said:

For everyone who actually reads this - don't underestimate the Panama drawback to your Financial Institutions and in General to your wealth. Even when you send a EUR SWIFT Transfer with a Switzerland Bank having a Panama Address or Company on file can lead to issues in the Correspondent Network.

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Again, tell me you have never send a wire from there without telling me, all serious business providers in Panama already have bank accounts in Switzerland (but being fair most of them are just using cimbanque and seba and we all know they open accounts to everybody basically)... Plus I have said multiple times that Panama is not for people who want to keep doing their life in/with Europe

scooterguy said:

For starters, you keep referring to Panama and El Salvador as countries in South America, which is the first sign of extreme ignorance about the region.

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EXACTLY!!! That's why I said that comparing both and calling them countries in South America just shows all the knowledge he has about the region. Which is actually ok, it's impossible to know everything about everywhere, that's why I for example don't talk as an expert about the UAE because I'm not but while I talk a lot about latam because I almost have almost 20yrs of doing international businesses in Latam so I know pretty well how this region works.

Fred said:

I thought I do something good for the people considering Panama but it looks like it's not well seen here.

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It will be something good if you don't constantly fall into fallacies when someone corrects you. It's when you start saying stuff without knowing when it becomes a problem.

Gents we have already determained Panama works really well for N and S America. Dubai people and s**t hole Euro people can stay on there side and have no business to talk horseshit about Latinos. I am from Europe originally but I have no desire going back. Last time Ive checked Dubai was also on a gray list f**k that place in the desert highly controlled by camel riders. I feel free in Mexico, Panama, Columbia, Venezuela, US all are still great places and I live here ZERO tax. Can you do than it Dubai? and besides the desert I have Mountains, Surfing, Fishing, world class restaurants with chefs from Italy, Spain, France, Germany. Anything and everything is doable and accessible from Panama or with Panama residency believe me I have several but use Panamanian for most everything without any issues. Unless you like glamour of Dubai, heat and sand, cameras and control over your a*s as well as your bank accounts and your money belong to the Sheikh as soon as it land on that UAE account go for it you have my blessing.

Sending wires from Germany or Austria to panama is almost impossible we know what so what? Do you know hoe many Germans and Austrians living in panama? And they all found a way around EU horseshit, basically you can solve any issues form Panama or with Panama residency finally the biggest Jewish community outside of Israel have control of all the major infrastructure here including bank so everything is well calculated. Enjoy your day but in a different cave this is for Latinos here you know s**t about this culture and people your disrespect is not welcomed. BUY

darkmode said:

Pros:
- Zero tax on foreign-sourced income. There aren't even filing requirements if your income is all abroad. Panama has a specific exclusion so that foreign-sourced income is exempt even if the mind and management here

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Are you sure about the " exclusion so that foreign-sourced income is exempt even if the mind and management here" I was doing a lot research about it and looks like you do need to pay tax on foreign income if the work was performed in Panama. For instance, if you still actively managing your online business you need to pay 15% tax. Correct me if I'm wrong.


here's the source: US Tax Preparation in Panama - Understanding Taxes in Panama | US Expat Tax Service
"Services and fees paid or accrued to individuals and to resident corporations are not subject to income tax, except payments on dividends distributed from retained earnings arising from Panamanian-source income.

Services and fees paid or accrued to foreign corporations for work done in Panama are subject to income tax withholdings at corporate tax rates. Services and fees paid or accrued to non-resident individuals for work done in Panama are subject to income tax withholdings at a 15% flat rate.

Interests, commissions, royalties or technical assistance fees paid to foreign recipients are subject to withholding tax. The income tax withholding is at the regular rates for individuals or corporations but only on 50% of the amount of income received by the recipient."

reelay said:

Are you sure about the " exclusion so that foreign-sourced income is exempt even if the mind and management here" I was doing a lot research about it and looks like you do need to pay tax on foreign income if the work was performed in Panama. For instance, if you still actively managing your online business you need to pay 15% tax. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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You're wrong.

reelay said:

here's the source: US Tax Preparation in Panama - Understanding Taxes in Panama | US Expat Tax Service
"Services and fees paid or accrued to individuals and to resident corporations are not subject to income tax, except payments on dividends distributed from retained earnings arising from Panamanian-source income.

Services and fees paid or accrued to foreign corporations for work done in Panama are subject to income tax withholdings at corporate tax rates. Services and fees paid or accrued to non-resident individuals for work done in Panama are subject to income tax withholdings at a 15% flat rate.

Interests, commissions, royalties or technical assistance fees paid to foreign recipients are subject to withholding tax. The income tax withholding is at the regular rates for individuals or corporations but only on 50% of the amount of income received by the recipient."

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This is my reading of the above:

- 1st part: If as a Panamanian resident, you don't have Panama-sourced income, there's no taxes
- 2nd part: If you are KPMG or some international corporation with work being done inside Panama, remittances back to the international corporation would be subject to withholding taxes. Same goes if you're not a Panama resident and doing work from here. You'd be subject to 15% withholding taxes
- 3rd part: It's related to things like interest earned inside Panama by a non-resident

So the 2nd and 3rd part are for non-residents mostly.

1st part confirms there's no taxes for us.

darkmode said:

You're wrong.



This is my reading of the above:

- 1st part: If as a Panamanian resident, you don't have Panama-sourced income, there's no taxes
- 2nd part: If you are KPMG or some international corporation with work being done inside Panama, remittances back to the international corporation would be subject to withholding taxes. Same goes if you're not a Panama resident and doing work from here. You'd be subject to 15% withholding taxes
- 3rd part: It's related to things like interest earned inside Panama by a non-resident

So the 2nd and 3rd part are for non-residents mostly.

1st part confirms there's no taxes for us.

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Nice, so you're saying that if I have my pass-through LLC in the USA and I reside in Panama I'd pay 0% tax?

The only thing I'm not 100% sure about is while living in Panama, with a USA or UK pass-through LLC/LLP, do you have to pay tax on the money you would transfer from your US/UK bank account to a Panamanian bank account for rent and food. And the rest of the profits for instance you'd keep in the US/UK personal bank account and it won't be taxable since the money never went to Panama.

reelay said:

Nice, so you're saying that if I have my pass-through LLC in the USA and I reside in Panama I'd pay 0% tax?

The only thing I'm not 100% sure about is while living in Panama, with a USA or UK pass-through LLC/LLP, do you have to pay tax on the money you would transfer from your US/UK bank account to a Panamanian bank account for rent and food. And the rest of the profits for instance you'd keep in the US/UK personal bank account and it won't be taxable since the money never went to Panama.

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U.S. and U.K. SMLLC is one of the most common structures used.

You don't have to pay any tax on the funds transferred to a Panamanian bank account. You're confusing this with Thailand's new tax laws, which does tax remittances to your local bank account.

In the case of Panama, funds transferred from your U.S./U.K. SMLLCs to your Panamanian bank account would not be subject to taxes.

darkmode said:

U.S. and U.K. SMLLC is one of the most common structures used.

You don't have to pay any tax on the funds transferred to a Panamanian bank account. You're confusing this with Thailand's new tax laws, which does tax remittances to your local bank account.

In the case of Panama, funds transferred from your U.S./U.K. SMLLCs to your Panamanian bank account would not be subject to taxes.

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Got it. I created a thread about it and Don (staff member) is saying the opposite you need to pay tax though if you reside in Panama and it is a central management of a foreign company. check out the last messages here in my post > Panama tax residency w/US C-Corp

reelay said:

Got it. I created a thread about it and Don (staff member) is saying the opposite you need to pay tax though if you reside in Panama and it is a central management of a foreign company. check out the last messages here in my post > Panama tax residency w/US C-Corp

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If you have a U.S. SMLLC, it's a pass through entity for tax purposes.

If the U.S. SMLLC has entirely foreign-sourced income and distributes all of the funds to you, a Panamanian resident, there's no taxes.

I don't have a Panamanian corporation but regardless, tax resident != taxes owed.

You could be a tax resident in Cayman. It doesn't mean there's taxes owed.

darkmode said:

If you have a U.S. SMLLC, it's a pass through entity for tax purposes.

If the U.S. SMLLC has entirely foreign-sourced income and distributes all of the funds to you, a Panamanian resident, there's no taxes.

I don't have a Panamanian corporation but regardless, tax resident != taxes owed.

You could be a tax resident in Cayman. It doesn't mean there's taxes owed.

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Got it, so to summarize for everyone who might be looking for this in the future:

If you're European (non-US citizen/resident) living in Panama and have a US SMLLC serving USA clients over the internet (service-based freelancing, marketing, websites etc.) and all the money flows to your personal bank in the US/Panama/ you don't owe any tax in Panama nor in the US?

reelay said:

Got it, so to summarize for everyone who might be looking for this in the future:

If you're European (non-US citizen/resident) living in Panama and have a US SMLLC serving USA clients over the internet (service-based freelancing, marketing, websites etc.) and all the money flows to your personal bank in the US/Panama/ you don't owe any tax in Panama nor in the US?

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Correct.

latindev said:

I know, but my response was to the idea of "no one with a serious business will consider those shitholes" which is just straight stupid since every medium to big business in the region (international companies, not simple companies doing "advising" to people in their country) is using the Caribbean.



That's what I have said multiple times in this and other threads, that Panama makes sense only depending on the areas where you are going to do businesses with. If is the American continent (North, Center and South) you basically won't face issues while with Asia is a mix (HK giving some issues while some Singapore banks/brokers and of course China are ok with it) and with the EU it was going to give issues, but that also depends because I have clients from the EU but the issue is that they need to "ask for permission" before doing business with a Panama company/resident.


I agree, the only correction is that Chile and Argentina are safer but they have more taxes too.

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Argentina is safe? I hear people complaining about how people are struggling down there and that you wouldn't want to walk on the streets with a nice watch .

Radko said:

Argentina is safe? I hear people complaining about how people are struggling down there and that you wouldn't want to walk on the streets with a nice watch .

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Yes Argentina is safe, you just need to check the murder/criminal rates and you will see that is way safer than most Latam countries and the US... Of course, if you're going to be the classic european tourist who thinks the world is a rainbow then the probabilities of you getting mugged will go to the moon but that's like everywhere to be honest

latindev said:

Yes Argentina is safe, you just need to check the murder/criminal rates and you will see that is way safer than most Latam countries and the US... Of course, if you're going to be the classic european tourist who thinks the world is a rainbow then the probabilities of you getting mugged will go to the moon but that's like everywhere to be honest

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Thanks

I'm sure I'll know how to stay away from trouble, the ones that get mugged, even while traveling in Europe, are Scandinavians. They seem to have a magnet for scammers and burglaries (my three Scandinavian neighbors have all been robbed while sleeping in their homes with the windows opened, some of them twice, and it's a gated community, welcome to Spain!)

reelay said:

Got it, so to summarize for everyone who might be looking for this in the future:

If you're European (non-US citizen/resident) living in Panama and have a US SMLLC serving USA clients over the internet (service-based freelancing, marketing, websites etc.) and all the money flows to your personal bank in the US/Panama/ you don't owe any tax in Panama nor in the US?

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What if its a service provided in another country (not US or in Panama) like accommodation or a cruise, is it taxable from the US side?

Anybody done the (Panamanian) residency through employment by own company? Pro's/Con's? Any experiences?
Anybody knows about the total price once having the permanent residency card in hand?