Aussies ... Icelanders ... Is this true??

[Frank in Bangkok]

A recent blog post claims Australia and Iceland are quickly coming under control of Chinese Social Credit tyranny. Canada, too. Is it true? Or is the post just more “fear porn”?

If true, then a lot of readers here on OCT will be doing a major re-modelling their offshore arrangements.

(I have abbreviated the article. Link to original at the bottom.)

Gateway to Chinese Social Credit (May 19, 2024)

"You cannot NOT have a digital ID to live in Iceland. It's impossible." There is no privacy at all in Iceland. Anyone can look up where I live. The license plate of my car. How much tax I paid last year. My phone number. You name it. It's public and available … I sign into everything with my electronic ID via my phone. Any time I access my bank account, phone services, accounting, tax, insurance, credit score, manage my assets (car/house), power bill, medical record, when I vote, or even want to pull up a store receipt of something I've bought, it's all linked to my digital ID. You cannot NOT have a digital ID to live in Iceland. It's impossible.

You can't get power turned on, get a phone number, buy or register a car, rent or buy a house, or even buy certain items … there is no privacy at all in Iceland. The Icelandic government and tax office has access to my bank accounts and knows every transaction I make, what I spend, and what I earn. They don't need a warrant, or anything else to access it--it's theirs.

Australians, this is what's coming for you. Australia just passed its Digital Identity Bill into law. Over the coming years, the government will make it impossible to opt out of the digital ID system. … They'll coerce Australians into adopting it by creating laws that link it to the most important thing you need to survive in today's modern world: your bank account. They'll do it on the grounds of anti-money-laundering and financial safety. The gov't will enforce laws onto banks that if you don't have the digital ID, you won't be able to open, keep, or use a bank account. If you refuse, you'll effectively be locked out of society. Because in today's modern world, you need access to banking services to survive. Banking will be first. Then everything else in society will be linked to your digital ID.

Nothing will ever again be private. Just like in Iceland today, the government will know everything. Always. Forever. The government will make it impossible for you to live otherwise. But having a backup plan--like a bank account, or money/assets in a location that is harder for the government to access or block you from--might be something you are interested in. The best backup plan will always be a citizenship/passport of at least one more nation, or at the very least, having a permanent residency permit elsewhere. Somewhere that believes in citizens having freedom and privacy.

Reader comment:
We gave the Chinese everything they need to take Australia, New Zealand and Canada into the new Chinese empire (as Chinese Special Economic Zones) . We were advised that by 2040, Australia and New Zealand would be ruled (not governed) by the Chinese government using Smartphones and digital ID. The governments of both countries are establishing the infrastructure for the Chinese takeover. For years, various Australian governments have been importing and using Chinese-manufactured facial recognition system cameras and the programmes which allow these to work. The Chinese will use "safety and security" to keep an open-air prison, just like modern Australia started. And there's nothing can be done to stop this. Nothing! Both Australians and New Zealanders have been disarmed and feel a lot safer.

Link: Leon Hill - Digital ID = Gateway to Chinese Social Credit

 

[Martin Everson]

Just move elsewhere and opt out of all of this. For sure whatever the west criticizes China for they will copy themselves eventually.

P.S You wanna know something funny? Voting and democracy wont make a blind bit of difference to changing the current direction of countries becoming surveillance states . There will be no wiggle room for changing or fighting back against the system and rules in place on a country level especially in EU.

 

[Frank in Bangkok]

Just move elsewhere and opt out of all of this.

Agree 100%.

But this question: What happens when your passport is about to expire? You walk into your nearby consulate/embassy citizen services, and they ask for your digital ID number? What to do then?

P.S You wanna know something funny? Voting and democracy wont make a blind bit of difference to changing the current direction of countries becoming surveillance states

Exactly. But this question: You know that. And likely everyone who follows this forum knows that. But why so many, many human life forms don't have any clue about it? [Don't answer that question! Would be off topic for this thread. But might make an interesting topic elsewhere in "Talk Body".]

 

[Martin Everson]

But this question: What happens when your passport is about to expire? You walk into your nearby consulate/embassy citizen services, and they ask for your digital ID number? What to do then?

Your screwed like those Ukrainian males living abroad whose passports have expired. They face going to Ukraine to get it renewed in which case they will be grabbed sent to front lines and destroyed by a glide bomb in minutes quicker than Zelensky can have a freshly pressed green t-shirt handed to him before a press conference.

Best to obtain a second passport asap if one has the means. You can't really escape if your life is tied to the passport of a surveillance state and it expires unless you don't want to travel and plan to live off grid.

 

[JosephLL]

Evil Iiiviil CCP. In the mean time... Make sure to keep your LinkedIn account in impeccable state.

 

[12345]

Social credit score in China is wide spread fake news. No such thing exists.

 

[Frank in Bangkok]

Social credit score in China is wide spread fake news. No such thing exists.

Thanks for posting, but without evidence, that is just a bald assertion. You may be correct. I'm hoping you will provide some evidence to backup to your assertion.

According to the post (referred to at the top of this thread), social surveillance DOES exist in Iceland now. Are you suggesting that is also "wide spread fake news"?? If it is, in fact, fake news, I will sleep better tonight.

 

[Marshal]

According to the post (referred to at the top of this thread), social surveillance DOES exist in Iceland now. Are you suggesting that is also "wide spread fake news"?? If it is, in fact, fake news, I will sleep better tonight.

Iceland's population is small and country is an island (isolated) so implementing surveillance is easier than in other parts of the world. JMO

 

[mraleph]

Social credit score in China is wide spread fake news. No such thing exists.

Well, it exist, but not in a manner and for purposes that are discussed outside PRC.

Every organized society requires a means to register and identify its citizens - where that registration is a usually a primary key for other purposes.

A recent blog post claims Australia and Iceland are quickly coming under control of Chinese Social Credit tyranny. Canada, too. Is it true? Or is the post just more “fear porn”?

If true, then a lot of readers here on OCT will be doing a major re-modelling their offshore arrangements.

(I have abbreviated the article. Link to original at the bottom.)





Link: Leon Hill - Digital ID = Gateway to Chinese Social Credit

Contemporary societies are dictated by technology and automation. Historical ones with paper, papirus and stone among other recording means.

Before nation states, births, partnerships and deaths were registered by religious organizations where primary keys were DOB, name and surname. It was a period with far lesser inhabitants.

Nowadays, automatic registration is needed where primary key is unique.

Such primary identification value exist in almost every country, whether it's a random string, DOB plus certain specifics w/ or w/o control sum or any other form.

We may be/are all identified by unique passport numbers at least and then by national identification, beside name/surname and dob. Further on, during KYC for accessing financial services, we get secondary key - account number. Analogy for any other service, even communal one.

I've read from OP's link something about Satan's conspiracy

Even Palau and Estonia has the same registration process - like the ones in Australia and Iceland author in that link proposes to run from. Also, by obtaining second citizenship, another citizen's registration is performed.

What is not ethical is that everybody can see citizen's unique registration value and draw informative conclusions that offer further investigation. Those registration systems aren't wile inherently, but government's inability or unwillingness to protect those as private.

Opposite to this would be an anarchy which would bring the economy to collapse. Cryptocurrencies are not intrisically anarchistic - social and economical order is needed to have a stable market.

According to the post (referred to at the top of this thread), social surveillance DOES exist in Iceland now. Are you suggesting that is also "wide spread fake news"?? If it is, in fact, fake news, I will sleep better tonight.

Social surveilance - it exist. When means of automatic citizens' identification and comparison of different data sets are performed without citizens' consent. Extreme Western example is London.

But presuming that every citizens' registration and identification is wile per se is not socially acceptable nor rational.

 

[kkein]

Is it easy to get a Chinese passport? asking for a friend..
Given that China has it all up and running, and apparently it isn't too bad, best to move to somewhere where this got as bad as it can get, and it's not so bad. I can foresee this to become way worse, in EUSA.

 

[mraleph]

Is it easy to get a Chinese passport? asking for a friend..
Given that China has it all up and running, and apparently it isn't too bad, best to move to somewhere where this got as bad as it can get, and it's not so bad. I can foresee this to become way worse, in EUSA.

What is "as bad as it can get". Every country is more alike the each other. PRC - 62nd place?

The Official Passport Index Ranking

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[kkein]

What is "as bad as it can get". Every country is more alike the each other. PRC - 62nd place?

The Official Passport Index Ranking

The Henley Passport Index ranks the strongest and weakest passports globally. Research is conducted by our research department. Explore our ranking.

www.henleyglobal.com

what i meant is that this is already implemented in china, and the way it works over there is not so bad. So it's unlikely that, over there, it gets worse than it is now.
In EUSA, on the other hand..

 

[tyrexoid]

what i meant is that this is already implemented in china, and the way it works over there is not so bad. So it's unlikely that, over there, it gets worse than it is now.
In EUSA, on the other hand..

what are some good sources to read about how it works and that it is not that bad? (to read about the benefits it brought to the Chinese society and country overall vs the legacy system of more freedom and less surveillance [if there was freedom?] )

 

[uplana]

Just move elsewhere and opt out of all of this. For sure whatever the west criticizes China for they will copy themselves eventually.

agree 100%

 

[wellington]

Move to the global south - become self sufficient - and make sure it’s a place you can blend in (with the natives - not tourism related) - observe from afar as the west eats itself and collapses - then move back and rebuild from the ashes.

Happens often in cycles and we’ve transitioned from peak prosperity to the collapse stage.

1980/90 -> pushed onto 9/11 / 2000 -> pushed on to 2008 -> 2016 - 2019 collapse stage.

 

[void]

Move to the global south - become self sufficient - and make sure it’s a place you can blend in (with the natives - not tourism related)

what place fits your criteria for example?

 

[wellington]

Oh and short the Goverment stupidity and greed all the way down - you’ll need that to return and invest (or rather your dependents will)

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what place fits your criteria for example?

I’ve outlined mine on here a few times.

1) with Nuclear bunker
1) with green energy power to commute across large span blue water.
1) Asia-Pacific
1) Africa (Eastern seaboard) - more stable
1) South America-Caribbean lower region

You are not just “escaping surveillance and CBDC” but the forceful violent end of the system that enforced that - hence Australia /NZ isn’t where you want to be as they are some of the most pro supporters of the controlled demolition system.

agree 100%

They already were - whilst the West and namely Australia was talking about social scoring and mass ai surveillance in China in 2018 - WA was investing 50m$ into a data Centre and looking (was approached by a third party associated) for a similar service provisioned for processing the data via AI track and trace and identify.

The UK has long had it but increasingly pushes for more under the guise the most surveilled country and capital city in the world isn’t able to handle 30,000 terror suspects without more surveillance.

It’s not the terrorists - it’s the plebs they are worried about.

TBH pretty much everyone I speak to from the UK from all walks of life is supportive of the idea of the idea for a revolution - it’s been brewing my concern it will be a violent revolution.

 

[Jackx3]

A recent blog post claims Australia and Iceland are quickly coming under control of Chinese Social Credit tyranny. Canada, too. Is it true? Or is the post just more “fear porn”?

If true, then a lot of readers here on OCT will be doing a major re-modelling their offshore arrangements.

(I have abbreviated the article. Link to original at the bottom.)





Link: Leon Hill - Digital ID = Gateway to Chinese Social Credit

Yes its true. The process is at the very beginning.
Government recently introduced Digital ID Bill ( https://www.digitalidentity.gov.au/digital-id-bill )
Unlike the Chinese, the AU Govt cannot just mandate it as there will be a backlash, so they are pursuing the "It is voluntary" strategy.
Slowly slowly voluntary become mandatory and then the population in ensnared.
As I have said in past post, consider anything to do with Australia very very very carefully.

Have a great day everyone.

 

[whatname]

Iceland somehow gained this positive reputation, but it's far from that. They have everything completely digitalized and centralized, and doesn't help it's basically a village. It's nice a country to visit though.