Good company to open Foundation in Liechtenstein?

[Konstanz]

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I understand, you mean offshore just countries like Belize and Seychelles. When I write about offshore, I write about countries, which you will not ever find on any blacklist nor any websites of offshore resellers who try to sell their services here. I am not talking about BVI, Hong Kong etc..

Liechtenstein bankers are willing to listen and understand. I spend some time with friends who are lawyers, bankers, accountants, there. And we talk. In almost every case, if structure is understandable for them and as long as they see reasonable wealth, there is no problem.

Just stop doing Bu bu bu on people. Offshore is not a nightmare. Nightmare are unusable countries with a terrible name like Seychelles, Hong Kong, Belize, etc.. But there are many other countries, where you can have the same level of privacy, tax planning possibilites and you will never read about tmein in a newspapers or on websites of so much loved offshore resellere here..

Liechtenstein foundation with non-resident council would be considered non-resident in Liechtenstein. I don't see the use of such foundation. It's not a proper set-up. You have to have resident council to meet PE and other requirements and to look serious

 

[LoveMyLife]

Liechtenstein foundation with non-resident council would be considered non-resident in Liechtenstein. I don't see the use of such foundation. It's not a proper set-up. You have to have resident council to meet PE and other requirements and to look serious

There is a way hoe foundation with a non dom council members can be still considered to be a local one in Liechtenstein.

 

[Konstanz]

There is a way hoe foundation with a non dom council members can be still considered to be a local one in Liechtenstein.

Ok I am interested. What is that method?

 

[LoveMyLife]

Ok I am interested. What is that method?

It is not in where council members resides. It is ni fact, wher are all important decisions made. Having just a flex desk in Liechtenstein and have, at least on a paper, all important decisions done in Liechtenstein, it is OK.

Law is not set on residency of council members. Important is place where decisions are made.

I know, the most people does not see a difference between this, but there is a difference. As one rule says: Devil in a law is hidden in a details.

 

[Konstanz]

It is not in where council members resides. It is ni fact, wher are all important decisions made. Having just a flex desk in Liechtenstein and have, at least on a paper, all important decisions done in Liechtenstein, it is OK.

Law is not set on residency of council members. Important is place where decisions are made.

I know, the most people does not see a difference between this, but there is a difference. As one rule says: Devil in a law is hidden in a details.

How offshore company director/offshore companies (ok even in reputable jurisdictions like Cyprus) would prove that decisions are made in Liechtenstein? Besides, it has 'flexi desk'

Also there are other risks. If the foundation is controlled by some Cyprus guys. How safe are assets held in such type of foundation? In case of legal claim against foundations does the LI law apply? Can it get tax residency certificate?

 

[LoveMyLife]

How offshore company director/offshore companies (ok even in reputable jurisdictions like Cyprus) would prove that decisions are made in Liechtenstein? Besides, it has 'flexi desk'

Also there are other risks. If the foundation is controlled by some Cyprus guys. How safe are assets held in such type of foundation? In case of legal claim against foundations does the LI law apply? Can it get tax residency certificate?

If all meeting minutes will state exactly, that meeting was held in Liechtenstein, and if there is no way how someone can prove anything else, than it is OK. Liechtenstein is member of a Schengen space. So no one can prove in a reality, where a council board meetings were held.

Assets are as safe with local board members as by foreign board members. Opeople are the same in all standard countries. If you have a foreign board members whom you can trust, your assets are safe. People in Liechtenstein has a 2 eyes, 2 hands, 2 legs, 1 head, 1 nose.. the same as anywhere else. In the lagal case against liechtenstein foundation, law of liechtenstein applies.
You can have a tax residencvy certificate for liechtenstein foundation if all decisions are made in Liechtenstein, at least on a paper, and if you have any physical presence there - flexi desk is enough, if tax authority has no other evidence against what you declare.

 

[Konstanz]

If all meeting minutes will state exactly, that meeting was held in Liechtenstein, and if there is no way how someone can prove anything else, than it is OK. Liechtenstein is member of a Schengen space. So no one can prove in a reality, where a council board meetings were held.

Assets are as safe with local board members as by foreign board members. Opeople are the same in all standard countries. If you have a foreign board members whom you can trust, your assets are safe. People in Liechtenstein has a 2 eyes, 2 hands, 2 legs, 1 head, 1 nose.. the same as anywhere else. In the lagal case against liechtenstein foundation, law of liechtenstein applies.
You can have a tax residencvy certificate for liechtenstein foundation if all decisions are made in Liechtenstein, at least on a paper, and if you have any physical presence there - flexi desk is enough, if tax authority has no other evidence against what you declare.

Ok, but if we talk about discretionary Liechtenstein foundation. Can foundation be discretionary with non-resident managers?

 

[Gediminas]

You (we) have to understand what is a proper setup of the foundation. There is a reason why law firms around the world set this up this way. There is a real difference between a YOLO setup and a strong setup, that would hold against any kind of tax investigation.

if tax authority has no other evidence against what you declare

I am not sure if you ever had any kind of situation with the tax office (in fact, I had), but this is YOU who has to provide proofs, not them.

Anybody that holds a decent wealth, should never ever cut costs at the bone of the setup.

And I will repeat again, it is wise to consult with the tax advisor/lawyer who has actual experience with this and knows all ins and outs.

 

[exprtadvisrdev]

If all meeting minutes will state exactly, that meeting was held in Liechtenstein, and if there is no way how someone can prove anything else, than it is OK. Liechtenstein is member of a Schengen space. So no one can prove in a reality, where a council board meetings were held.

Wait, is that easy? why everybody is not doing it? I don't know, to me it sounds to easy to be true

 

[Konstanz]

Wait, is that easy? why everybody is not doing it? I don't know, to me it sounds to easy to be true

It is too good to be true. In reality, the foundation has to be managed locally by local managers. In todays substance world, where companies are managed from offshore, it's long gone. Of course, in some cases, it could work, but Gediminas is telling the truth that it must be setup correctly to be really useful in reality.

 

[LoveMyLife]

It is too good to be true. In reality, the foundation has to be managed locally by local managers. In todays substance world, where companies are managed from offshore, it's long gone. Of course, in some cases, it could work, but Gediminas is telling the truth that it must be setup correctly to be really useful in reality.

Gediminas is telling, that it has to be set up with a local directors (where there is a council and no directors) and pay him 10K more for mails forwarding and documents forwarding as reseller. He is not lawyer. He just resell. And when there is no reason to pay him 10K more, he will start writing about some proper structuring bla bla

 

[Gediminas]

Gediminas is telling, that iot has to be set up with a local directors (where there is a council and no directors) and pay him 10K more for mails forwarding and documents forwarding as reseller. He is not lawyer. He just resell. And when there is no reason to pay him 10K more, he will start writing about some proper structuring bla bla

You are talking nonsense and you don't know anything about how we operate. To stop your bull**t, we are two partners in the company and one of us is a lawyer with MASSIVE experience in international taxation and structurings.

 

[LoveMyLife]

You are talking nonsense and you don't know anything about how we operate. To stop your bull**t, we are two partners in the company and one of us is a lawyer with MASSIVE experience in international taxation and structurings.

I asked you more times, but I asking you again:

Your liechtenstein license number is: .....?

 

[Gediminas]

I asked you more times, but I asking you again:

Your liechtenstein license number is: .....?

Read all of my previous posts, I am sure you will find your answer (and also gain some good knowledge). peace

 

[GiGoGo]

I am not talking about BVI, Hong Kong etc..

Any problem with Hong Kong? Did internationals transfer from Hong Kong without problems from the last 5 years.
Try to send money from Liechtenstein to any EU country, let's see what happens

 

[Sols]

@LoveMyLife, why don't you give us the name, website, and license number of your lawyer friend who has 30 years of experience and can do this type of setup at a fraction of the cost? It would be very helpful for @John89 and as long as you aren't just promoting someone and actually just sharing experiences, I've never seen Admin have any problem with it. He's very reasonable.

But let's also remember those times when @LoveMyLife didn't know the difference between revenue and profit (link), thought you needed billions to get an EU banking license (link), and then there was that time he was absolutely confident that local service providers don't give bulk discounts to agents/resellers (can't find the link, but trust me when I say that it was hilarious to read). I get the impression he has limited experience in this field and that the experience is tarnished by bad resellers who maybe ripped him off. When called out on his nonsense, he tends to resort to calling people resellers and/or socialists; the to him seemingly two worst things you could possibly call someone.

This is coming from someone who frequently mentions working directly mid-tier service providers. From what I've seen, the prices mentioned by @Gediminas are reasonable starting points when properly setting up something like a foundation in Liechtenstein. My only concern is how specific his pricing is, when my experience from working directly with service providers is that the final invoice can be higher or lower depending on the full scope and complexity of services to be rendered.

 

[exprtadvisrdev]

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[LoveMyLife]

@LoveMyLife, why don't you give us the name, website, and license number of your lawyer friend who has 30 years of experience and can do this type of setup at a fraction of the cost? It would be very helpful for @John89 and as long as you aren't just promoting someone and actually just sharing experiences, I've never seen Admin have any problem with it. He's very reasonable.

But let's also remember those times when @LoveMyLife didn't know the difference between revenue and profit (link), thought you needed billions to get an EU banking license (link), and then there was that time he was absolutely confident that local service providers don't give bulk discounts to agents/resellers (can't find the link, but trust me when I say that it was hilarious to read). I get the impression he has limited experience in this field and that the experience is tarnished by bad resellers who maybe ripped him off. When called out on his nonsense, he tends to resort to calling people resellers and/or socialists; the to him seemingly two worst things you could possibly call someone.

This is coming from someone who frequently mentions working directly mid-tier service providers. From what I've seen, the prices mentioned by @Gediminas are reasonable starting points when properly setting up something like a foundation in Liechtenstein. My only concern is how specific his pricing is, when my experience from working directly with service providers is that the final invoice can be higher or lower depending on the full scope and complexity of services to be rendered.

It is great as one Offshore reseller defends second Offshore reseller in their battle for their unreasonable profits received from newbies.. Just try to catch.. I hope, one day will offshore industry free from reselleres with no added value, who are just a mails and documents forwarders..

 

[Gediminas]

It is great as one Offshore reseller defends second Offshore reseller in their battle for their unreasonable profits received from newbies.. Just try to catch.. I hope, one day will offshore industry free from reselleres with no added value, who are just a mails and documents forwarders..

You indeed had bad luck with service providers

 

[Sols]

It is great as one Offshore reseller defends second Offshore reseller in their battle for their unreasonable profits received from newbies.. Just try to catch.. I hope, one day will offshore industry free from reselleres with no added value, who are just a mails and documents forwarders..

I hope you get over your trauma one day. All the best on your recovery.