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sonato

Offshore Agent
Mentor Group Gold
Have read all the forums about this company, it comes down to 1 thing, they are a huge scam, even the information they provide on their website are to 90% to be considered false, reading between the lines, they made use of a well known marketing trick (which obvious could have been made much better) take all the competing products on one site including your own, put a bad review on all other products / services - it has to be not that negative to keep the trust - now make a very nice and well spelled review of the product you sell, now you can fool tons of new clients and make money on them, in this case Panamalaw can rip people off they will enter into the trap like insects fly into the burning lamp.


Ohh, I forgot I'm registered just now, this makes me according to Panama SCAM also not to be a reliable source... lol - thank you for all the information on this and the other two forums, it safed me from spending money on nothing.
 

Admin

Forum Moderator
Staff member
First of all we dissociate our self from this lies, accusing and false information this Guatemala MAF is publishing, what they have found to be a SCAM in their opinion is nothing others than untrue information.


However, the statement they made about the FSC is correct in that wording that some of the Agency services on the BVI have lead their attention to an article and maybe some wording on our website which could have lead to a confusion about who is registering the companies in the BVI, from a sales perspective it is correct what we wrote in the articles in questions, however, it is obvious that due to our location to be in Cyprus that we are using only certified agency services and lawyers in the jurisdictions where CCLOGIC Ltd isn't physical represented. That the FSC is that naive and take it the way they did is up to them, as mentioned in this post some companies and people really need to learn the meaning of the English word SCAM and FRAUD.


Now, in regards to the forum posters here, we have been checking the different IP's and even if the Guatemala Company try to put us in the bad spotlight then we can confirm that none of the posts made here are from any staff member of CCLOGIC Ltd and therefore we have no responsibility or can be held responsible for what community members post, we moderate from time to time spammed advertisement and threads which are not doubtful, if companies which have been put into disrepute on our forum without hard prove or evidence of any SCAM, FRAUD or false statements then we are going to remove such threads and posts which is again obvious since the CCLOGIC Forum is here to provide true and informative information, driven by the community and not by CCLOGIC Ltd itself, to support pre sales questions or questions in general we have created the special forums here.


Now to the defamation activity of CCLOGIC Ltd from this Guatemala MAF company, in our opinion the website they put up to publish these lies and false information is 100% mend as "doorway page" to swift potential clients interesting in the professional services of CCLOGIC Ltd into the claws of these gangsters. They have been court by many victims as we see from several forum posts and publications around the Internet, which for a SCAM ARTIST is the worst what can happened, people do read forums, they do read blogs as well press releases, so publications like the one about PanamaLaw.org AKA Panamalegal are not very welcome to them and will hopefully have the effect they are mend to have, to shut down this company or at least warn as many innocent people from being scammed.


One of the reason for why we don't take this thread off or maybe go more in the offensive to protect our name and reputation which is one of the best out there (We hear this daily from clients which successfully have made use of our services) is that our goal with this forum is to provide as accurate information as well to be a platform which has the head and the power to deliver relevant information in the business / industry we are into. What we see and what many of the professionals see are simply false information out there where the information is wrangled in a way people like to hear it, why?, it makes new clients, we are not into this and again we want to distinct our self from the vast crowd and proof that it is possible to run a honest and reliable business on the Internet and to be a place people trust. Actually from their statements on the mentioned site, we see that it is exactly what they would like us as well as the two other forums to do, let's see what they advice people not to do:

How to Evaluate a Business – Forget using forums, boards or blogs as these are too often corrupted to be valid sources of information.
Now if they were clean and are not what so many people say they are, then they would make a public statement similar to this one, which would prove their inosence, however, they don't.
We encourage everyone to make their own decision, make use of the plenty information available here at the CCLOGIC Ltd forum as well on the linked forums that lead to more information about this topic.


On behalf of the entire CCLOGIC Ltd staff I would like to thank you for reading and your support, we hope you enjoy our services and look forward for your continued support.
 
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clemens

Corporate Services
Mentor Group Gold
For a company like panamalegal.org which is engaged in fraud for more than 210 million USD they are very aggresive slandering a trusted and reliable company. They are behaving like rats do, when you put them up the corner they will bait you. I hope they will be brought to court for their activities.
 

surender

Corporate Services
I've been went to the sites and read the posts from both sides. The bottom line is these guys have an agenda to bring down CCLOGIC. It doesn't matter what anyone says, they won't change their minds. I for one won't give them the time of day. No matter what you say they will turn it around or just lie. In my humble opinion, It would be better to ignore them. Then they will have no fuel for the fire of bustin on CCLOGIC chops. We have better things to do than let these bullies get to us.


Lets prove them wrong, but not on their terms or in their back yard.
 

panamalawscam

Offshore Agent
Im also a victim of this scam, that said I got over it and learned lesson!


I'm new to CCLOGIC and don't need to read or listen to any negative comments about CCLOGIC or any other offshore agency service I'm involved in. It's each individuals responsibility to research and do there due diligence before they get involved with any business ( I failed to do so the first time), program product or entity. In doing so, one will usually find both negative and on occasion some positive input. One company I checked out before buying their product impressed me as the customer support responded to the feedback in a very professional and courteous manner.


Point is, CCLOGIC is too new, and will receive several reviews from several entities. Some will praise while others will slander. If one were to research out those sources, odds are that other companies will sabotage or slander competitors out of fear. It's known as corporate espionage.


We could focus on the negative, which is a total waste of energy that only prevents us from achieving our goals. I would rather focus on the positive, move forward, build relationships in business in a professional manner, and help everyone I can to obtain their success in business.


At the end of the day it is up the individual and their opinion if they believe the information posted in this thread as well on other forums or not.
 

system32

Corporate Services
Business Angel
For them which are still in doubt of this scam operation Panamalegal aka Panamalaw.org, I couldn't outline it much better, read: Grandpa's Letter - PANAMA LAW FIRM – HONEYPOT OR SCAM?
 

system32

Corporate Services
Business Angel
You got to the point in the below thread, taken from TG, keep the communication here is much better. This is proving how they behave on the Internet and how misleading all their information is, they got caught and want to hide it to be able to scam more people and take out the competition. Actually it is what the guy here say Grandpa's Letter - PANAMA LAW FIRM – HONEYPOT OR SCAM?


Someone should put a warrant on those maniacs head.

They appear to be a new business yet they claim to be around for many years?
go to Internet Archive: Free Movies, Music, Books & Wayback Machine


enter invalid1c in the wayback machine or just click on link


http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/?saved=1


There is nothing for this website before 2010? Hmm. Actually the website was a parking page for many years so they just bought an old website, cute trick. They have a few weeks in the business yet they say experienced for many years.
Man you are more stupid than a rat, even so that you behaving like one.


So according to your new investigation gadget which you promote more than the slandering campaign of our company, then you say we have not exists before 2010, right?


Thats great, means the following corporations stoped all activity in 2009, they even took off the plug from the Internet:


Internet Archive Wayback Machine


Internet Archive Wayback Machine


http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://hp.com


http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sony.com


http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://<<snippet>>.com


http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://webhostingtalk.com


I guess now you will tell all of us that you don't know about this and that it is only CCLOGIC you are focusing on, you Maniac!


As well as you claim we have made all the posts on ALL the other forums around even if you at the same time say that we didn't exists in the years where the posts are made...


I give up, you are so stupid that no one in this world is able to help you!


All your information is as false as your website (Ohh, should I say your hundreds of fake websites!) and every other message you write on your keyboard, have you tried to visit a shrink or something you are sick very sick!
 
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Propeller

Corporate Services
Business Angel
Did anyone noticed from the thread on TG that this is a cheap TROLL they hired to slander CCLOGIC ?


They are following a guideline published on the respective forums on how to batching on companies and competitors, it was a PDF released for not so long ago. What also is interesting is that in is widely known that if you are in a competive niche which is almost impossible to rank for in a good position then you will have to expect your competition to be aggressive, this is also described in many e-books I read about SEO.


Now, everything seems to fit into the puzzle, PanamaLaw aka Panamalegal.org scam has been caught by hundreds of Internet users to be a scam, now what would one do in a attempt to make up with this, it is very simple attack a competitor!


There are always 2 opinions on a case like the one we see here, and different people will treat what they read different.


1. People might think that the guy who continues to argue and use sensible arguments might come off as a "smart ass" or something and they might think the guy who doesn't seem to care is funny.


2. If you're among more intellectual and mature people, the guy who's stubborn will seem immature and stupid and after a while people will just ignore him.


Best advice ignore them or hire army of troll's to defend your reputation, which would put you on the same level as they are, to win this game you have to be more unique.
 

clemens

Corporate Services
Mentor Group Gold
If that bastards should come to Cyprus due to your invitation - lol - you should really team up with the guys here, they may be able to help to bring them to court for Defamation.


Media Law & Defamation - Specialist Law Team | Doughty Street Chambers


I little investigation on this scam and crocks shows some nice information which I'm preparing right now, you will be surprised to see what I have found, have made screens of everything will be published as well...


Best of luck to all, btw. has anyone found hte popcorn and beer, this is almost better than [video=youtube;NG3-GlvKPcg]

 

bizman

Corporate Services
Did anyone noticed from the thread on TG that this is a cheap TROLL they hired to slander CCLOGIC ?
Thats exactly what it its, don't fall into this trap it is a very cheap way to slander a company, you can hire such trolls in India, Philippines and even in the US, cost nothing to get one aboard, the organizations offering such trolls are even ordering them as the following:
Happy Troll


Bitching Troll


Aggressive Troll


Promotional Troll


How low can Panamalegal.org aka Panama SCAM go to hire a Troll to sort things out, see what happened, the winner is CCLOGIC they are a legit company and Panamalegal is just a SCAM and a big one of it kind.


We guaranty for you to everyone we get in touch with, without any doubts awesome services you guys offer.
 

clemens

Corporate Services
Mentor Group Gold
Panamalegal.org aka Panamalaw - biggest scam this centuryWe need to update this particular thread frequently, this will certainly guarantee that each and every audience that is funneled into this thread through the slandering campaign of this chimps will have the most recent information, it can likewise get of an fascinating perspective to see how the Internet can or possibly can't be employed to distribute false / fake information and allow even authority websites such as Google, Yahoo as well as the large community s believe a story is true. In fact the actual interesting element here's who will have enjoy the traffic all of this generates, it also has a curiosity to see if it may go so far that the various medias get their attention on this kind of stories as well it may be used in a educative way to observe how much influence a Cyber War on the Internet may harm a company.Don't flame me regarding not to be a journalist, I'm definitely not, I've much better activities to do however personally find this fascinating the way this particular case has developed. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in parts of the below :)I'll begin with the initial thread these people started but prior to that we need to have the terms in place:Slandering = Panamalaw Scam aka Panamalegal ScamChimps = Panamalaw Scam aka Panamalegal Scamdesciples = The no brainers and the other trolls following up on the chimps thread.okay, lets begin! now while we are all on the same page we shall start with this one:Panama Legal is a HUGE SCAM OPERATOR!This is when everything get started, a former customer of the chimps, is actually complaining about them, this takes it's course to a major SCAM discovered by lots of people all across the globe, how should we know about these people won't be the same users? Unfortunately we cannot, but since we have a tiny believing in the authority websites on the Internet (not the probably none regulated websites) then the Admin's on a Forum or even weblog will have the individuals IP, they should be able to see if it's the same IP or not and most often additionally when they are Proxy addresses as well as exactly where they're originating from.Following the below thread brings up an additional discussion board (Make sure you look at the dates of every poster we get to this later)Username: panamaPassword: fightback2010Panama ForumHere we now have an additional massive number of people complaining about the Chimps, once again look at the date when they're posting, once more the actual Forum moderators / Admins can easily check if all the complains you'll find are from the identical IP.following, we will go to the invalid1c//.php thread as well as the <<snippet>>.com thread, the Admins here and also at <<snippet>> will certainly observe that the various users participating in the threads will be from different IP'sAt this point, no Admin nor blog Admin allows the release of any IP addresses because of the privacy of their users however what some do would be to confirm if all postings are made up by one person or different individuals, it is up to you! if you will believe the Admin's, For me I'm going to believe the trustworthy discussion boards who have a substantial organization behind them, talking here about s such as Web Hosting Talk, SCAM.COM and some others.Now, how come the dates are of any kind of interest? Quite simple, what you should notice would be that the many threads and posts on all of the s around tend to be build prior to the thread came to the actual CCLOGIC Forum, honestly, I'm not here in order to defend or guard them nevertheless in contrast they're legit and the Chimps aren't therefore I'm here to help others to make the proper decision rather than to get enrolled in any scam from the Chimps! And? I get to it right now! -second claim from the Chimps:

"They appear to be a new business yet they claim to be around for many years?go to Internet Archive: Free Movies, Music, Books & Wayback Machineenter invalid1c in the wayback machine or just click on linkInternet Archive Wayback MachineThere's nothing for this website before 2010? Hmm. Actually the website was a parking page for many years so they just bought an old website, cute trick. They have a few weeks in the business yet they say experienced for many years."
Do you read me, they are saying that CCLOGIC is only 5 months old, if the statement is true what interest might they have to slander a company before they were even born?Numerous of us understand that they already been around in 2008, the way back machine previously mentioned proves absolutely nothing, it's buggy and by trying to key in Sony, hp or even some of the other fortune 500 companies then them all have lacking data for 2009, however ignore this right now.Next claim:
"CClogic is a scam. Researched them. They seem to be hiding. Look at this from their website:Visit our office and consultancies:Appointment / Meetings can be arranged if an installment of EUR 1.500 has been made by the client, for more information about why we have been forced to this circumstances, please read our faqWho in the world is going to sent them 1500 euros to see them?"
Check this picture from the Chimps website: View attachment 78 In my thoughts and opinions this isn't a SCAM along with the different other claims aren't, it's a easy solution to restrict the number of visitors while focusing on the Internet business along with their online community. I personally have had numerous chats with them (CCLOGIC), always helpful.the second reason behind why I don't believe it to be a scam is actually that they have published their address, everyone is able to go to Cyprus and check if they are based at this particular address, lastly they proposed the chimps to meet at CCLOGICs address.
" If you have any problems that should be solved and are allowed to enter the EU then come to Cyprus next week, we will team up there and also have our lawyers available, the address is the one you claim to be false too, you can contact me on Skype: CCLOGIC"
What next,Take a look at this
link, read simply the first couple of lines, they are using the same name and same article as they used for the CCLOGIC on the doubful website scamradar.com, more here.Take a look at the following pictures View attachment 76 View attachment 77 pictures, it is precisely the exact same slandering sentence as the things they just published about CCLOGIC along with bogus names, fake statements, they have modified it a little but they could also have just copied it, see the article refered to at SCAM.COM about the chimps: Mortgage Fraud Surge Investigation Nets More Than 100 Individuals Throughout Middle Florida | Reuters - now who will you believe? I'm for sure will not trust the Chimps!! CCLOGIC turned down the allegations in a professional manner. panamaegal-scamme&amp;.gif

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Admin

Forum Moderator
Staff member
Thank you jpay for the in depth analysis, we appreciate your support.


It is difficult to do anything else than encourage anyone with concerns about our company to address them directly to us either here in the thread, or the respective forums or through our support, we will want to have in mind that Panamalegal.org Panamalaw.org etc. are professional scammers and fraudsters, they will use every illegal way to fight their criminal activities which should by now be obvious isn't to operate a law firm, they are even not lawyers if I'm wrong in this statement than it would put the legit law firms in Guatemala on a very low level.
 
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bizman

Corporate Services
Admin, you should separate this thread so that everyone quickly is able to see that this slandering campaign is about the defamation of CCLOGIC, make a link from the new thread to this one..


Others, everyone who doubt the professional services of CCLOGIC, contact them, they are fast in replies, I can only say we have been satisfied in fullest with their services!


Check the posters slandering! they are new registered no one else is posting anything about CCLOGIC... be careful with what you believe!!! posters which slander other companies or services should have a very good forum reputation... no one is giving n00b's or new registered posters any value of the information posted, if so they are noobs too.
 

Admin

Forum Moderator
Staff member
Thank you for your inputs, we did so, the new thread is located here: /forum/f61/panama-legal-scam-cclogic-message-customers-users-forum-11713/
 
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Moh1

Corporate Services
Sorry that I missed to Chew the fat here slandering cclogic who is clean as a whistle makes me sick and is annoying while they have done that much for me and my partners.


I support this company 100%, anyone who needs references, please PM me!
 

SysOp

System Help
check out these blatant liars, they are scum backs at the worst's these so called Lawyers don't even bothers about the truth or lies. On the website of panamalaw.org they wrote: View attachment 80 The truth is, the Seychelles have so far not signed a single agreement with any country nor any TIEAsFor a law firm which have no scruples about writing this it is most advisable to stay away or run.

panamalegal-scam.jpg

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ebaywins09

Offshore Agent
wow, Im sorry I missed this thread what a wealth of information here about these scoundrels - they are scammers, slanderes and bad company for anyone.
 

clemens

Corporate Services
Mentor Group Gold
Also interesting to see is that the horror stories never end, just saw this story on another forum.

Since I am interested of helping people from this site after I read and confirm that this is true, I am pretty close to get all the information from this organized crime people, my staff made a investigation and I am sure that i can help you to find them. Let me know if you might want the exact location in Mexico and Guatemala, One of them named Marcos Alberto Cutino Gonzalez claims to be a close friend of the president of many countries, I also have some contacts and just to verify this blog´s info I asked for some help in Mexico and central, South america and guess What!!!! Marcos Cutino is in Mexico now, and he is being there for the last 2 weeks, he is not even close to be presidents friend nor welcome to such countries, his partner in crime is Kenneth "Biderman" and also named Kenneth Goldman.
I just want to be on the justice side, as my name Incredible, this is incredible. Let me know if you want this info to do justice!! we are getting close to get them!!!
Interesting
 

flintstone

Offshore Agent
Business Angel
I read the page panamalaw.org...I am lawyer at Guatemala City and there are some things you should be aware of when your are trying to invest in Guatemala. For example, they demand you to wire them 2,5k before meeting you, this is not the way to work. In fact, every time I know a "client" I tell him/her to come to my office first, so he/she feels secure that I do have an office, that they are able to find me by only giving the taxi driver the address. I offer my clients always 2 options: either I pick him/her up at the airport (which I do not like very much) or they can take the shuttle to the Hotel and then they can take a taxi to my office. I let them know about the whole process and answer them all the questions they want to do. My hourly fee is then charge after the meeting is over. If they decide to work with me the first payment is deducted from the whole deal, since I do not want to be known as a "rober" or "burglar" or something like that. That is the way to do bussiness. So if any of you are interested please do not hesitate to call me.
 

sebastian

Corporate Services
So I can come to Guatemala and visit your office and get answers to my questions if I want? Will you require that I buy your services in order to schedule an appoitment?
 
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