Russian Residence by Investment

[jafo]

I think you maybe using a clone google site to get your results...lol. Russia does not have an extradition treaty with US. Russia can off course negotiate extradition outside of a treaty on case by case basis like a prisoner swap which has happened. And yes Russia does not allow its own citizens to be extradited which is not relevant to this conversation...lol.

P.S Lets get back to topic.

You are 100% correct, Martin! I don't know why some OCT users try to derail the conversation and then FAIL to provide and present the evidence totally ignoring the burden of proof doctrine.

I can assert that I did a thorough search on the following three legal websites*** and there isn't a single case of an extradition from Russia to the US. Not once! As a matter of fact, most people who have NEVER been to Russia don't know this, but black Americans flocked to the Soviet Union from the US due to racism in the 1930s: Black in the USSR

BTW, I have been using these 3 legal websites since the early 80s when there was dial-up! On a 300-baud modem! I started to do, among other things, IT work for the legal community as a College of Engineering intl. student in the 80s. Some of us who were reliable (and cheap) were outsourced by our politically connected and privileged professors. (This, on its own, is actually a remarkable & entertaining story of how laws are flouted by lawmakers and the legal community while international students are exploited for pennies of the dollar. )

***the following three legal websites***
Westlaw Sign In | Thomson Reuters
Public Access to Court Electronic Records | PACER: Federal Court Records
and
Welcome to LexisNexis - Choose Your Path

All these 3 websites require yearly subscriptions.

 

[badger]

I think you maybe using a clone google site to get your results...lol. Russia does not have an extradition treaty with US. Russia can off course negotiate extradition outside of a treaty on case by case basis like a prisoner swap which has happened. And yes Russia does not allow its own citizens to be extradited which is not relevant to this conversation...lol.

P.S Lets get back to topic.

You live in Russia? Or may be you Russian? )
I'm from Russia.

extradition from USA to RU - Из США в Россию экстрадировали обвиняемого в попытке убийства (ru lang)
США возобновили экстрадицию россиян (ru lang)

About extradition from Ru to USA - can't find it now in Telegram, but saw few cases before.

And yes Russia don't have extradition treaty with USA, but it work on some cases if you not interesting for Russia (or criminal person).

 

[jafo]

extradition from USA to RU - Из США в Россию экстрадировали обвиняемого в попытке убийства (ru lang)
США возобновили экстрадицию россиян (ru lang)

But these are from the US -> Russia! We're NOT questioning THAT!
We're interested in Russia -> USA.

I couldn't find anything on Westlaw, PACER, or LexisNexis from Russia to the US.

I, for one, would enjoy learning about such a case and reading the case law. It would be very interesting to read and hear both sides of the arguments and the court's reasoning.

If you can find the TG news, I would appreciate it.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

You need to make investments of at least RUB 30 million into a Russian legal entity that has been carrying out entrepreneurial activity in Russia for at least three years in an economic partnership, limited liability company, joint-stock company, farm or business partnership;

Does this mean that all I need to do is to buy 30m rub of, say, Gazprom shares?

 

[badger]

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But these are from the US -> Russia! We're NOT questioning THAT!
We're interested in Russia -> USA.

I couldn't find anything on Westlaw, PACER, or LexisNexis from Russia to the US.

I, for one, would enjoy learning about such a case and reading the case law. It would be very interesting to read and hear both sides of the arguments and the court's reasoning.

If you can find the TG news, I would appreciate it.

ok, google it - американца арестовали в москве по запросу интерпола - Google Suche

As I see most cases is Interpol requests.

 

[badger]

Does this mean that all I need to do is to buy 30m rub of, say, Gazprom shares?

if you read government documents - Постановление Правительства Российской Федерации от 31.12.2022 № 2573 ∙ Официальное опубликование правовых актов
It's looked like you need to make 30m investment to some Russian company, but as I think it's not simple buy Gazprom shares on MOEX.
If you really plan to moving Russia - I can ask lawyer about that way.

 

[Don]

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www.dp.ru

ok, google it - американца арестовали в москве по запросу интерпола - Google Suche

As I see most cases is Interpol requests.

When it comes to Interpol requests, it seems that generally you are at the will of the God, as it covers basically the whole world, and is heavily used against political opponents.
Exception is when you have a Russian passport and stay on Russias soil, as Russia's constitution prohibits the extradition of Russian citizens to foreign countries.

When INTERPOL issues a Red Notice, it is alerting its member countries that an individual is wanted by a national jurisdiction, enabling the country where the individual is located to assist in the arrest and possible extradition. It does not equate to an international arrest warrant, and countries are not obligated to arrest someone based on a Red Notice alone. Each country determines for itself what legal value to give a Red Notice within their borders.

In Russia, like in many other countries, an INTERPOL Red Notice is not considered an international arrest warrant. It is rather an advisory notice that someone is wanted for prosecution or to serve a sentence in a participating country.

However, INTERPOL Red Notices are taken seriously in Russia. When Russia receives a Red Notice about a person within its jurisdiction, law enforcement authorities can take it as a basis for provisional arrest, pending further actions such as extradition procedures. In this context, an INTERPOL Red Notice can be seen as a trigger for Russia to begin its own legal processes, such as investigating the person's activities within its jurisdiction, or initiating extradition procedures if a formal extradition request follows from the country that issued the Red Notice.

 

[Don]

Does this mean that all I need to do is to buy 30m rub of, say, Gazprom shares?

Yes!

• it can be RUB 30M investment in Russian blue chip companies with the repurchasing option (guaranteed return and no market risk)
• The investment amount can be transferred in CNY, AED, TRY to the client’s broker account in Russia. There are lawyers who can handle opening broker accounts and stock purchases remotely. You just need to go to Moscow once to submit your residency permit application.
• After 12 months, 100% investment is returned to the client in the same currency (You can avoid exposure to RUB)

 

[Revoltec]

Anyone who might have some questions about living in Russia or is currently here can hit me up

 

[jafo]

Anyone who might have some questions about living in Russia or is currently here can hit me up

How do you like living in Russia?

 

[Revoltec]

How do you like living in Russia?

I do enjoy it. I feel like people are more upfront than in the west. It is easier to say the truth in another persons face. Still it is a big country where the culture differs depending on where you are. I also find Russian women very attractive. Also much less leftist/feminist propaganda and people dress and behave normal on streets.

 

[lacomaco]

And of course nobody is thinking about the government (or in fact often people related to the government) confiscating part or full your wealth... People falling out from windows... Guys, you are talking about a country where an ex-KGB guy is the boss, surrounded by ex-KGB and ex-GRU people, where calling the war as a war is punishable by prison??? What kind of nonsense is it? Probably you never lived in the old type of socialism with many of your friends reporting whatever you spoke of to the police... Brrrr... Foreign exchange controls anyone?

 

[jafo]

And of course nobody is thinking about the government (or in fact often people related to the government) confiscating part or full your wealth... People falling out from windows... Guys, you are talking about a country where an ex-KGB guy is the boss, surrounded by ex-KGB and ex-GRU people, where calling the war as a war is punishable by prison??? What kind of nonsense is it? Probably you never lived in the old type of socialism with many of your friends reporting whatever you spoke of to the police... Brrrr... Foreign exchange controls anyone?

Just out of curiosity (no need to be defensive), have you ever been prosecuted by the DOJ of a Western country and gone through the whole criminal trial proceedings from the beginning to the end?

Choose (A) xor (B)
(A) Yes
(B) No

 

[lacomaco]

Just out of curiosity (no need to be defensive), have you ever been prosecuted by the DOJ of a Western country and gone through the whole criminal trial proceedings from the beginning to the end?

Choose (A) xor (B)
(A) Yes
(B) No

Wehn I was young my father never accepted the "others did it too" justification. I think he was right. Please go to Moscow, live there and trust the Russian government and the legal/financial system. We live in a free world, don't we?

 

[jafo]

Wehn I was young my father never accepted the "others did it too" justification. I think he was right. Please go to Moscow, live there and trust the Russian government and the legal/financial system. We live in a free world, don't we?

It was a simple question where the answer was A xor B. We're hoping to learn something from you and shield ourselves a bit more. It wasn't meant as derision, I just want to learn what happened to you in a criminal proceeding... if there is/was one or are you just speaking in general terms from your unexperienced perception of the world???

That's it. No need to take anything personally! We're trying to learn here. That's all.

So,

(A) Yes

xor

(B) No

 

[lacomaco]

It was a simple question where the answer was A xor B. We're hoping to learn something from you and shield ourselves a bit more. It wasn't meant as derision, I just want to learn what happened to you in a criminal proceeding... if there is/was one or are you just speaking in general terms from your unexperienced perception of the world???

That's it. No need to take anything personally! We're trying to learn here. That's all.

So,

(A) Yes

xor

(B) No

No, I never was accused by anything serious in any parts of the world. i just did not understand what you meant by DOJ of a Western country and I saw no connection with what I wrote about residency in Russia.
- Foreign exchange controls for your money
- Confiscation risk
- Hiding the fact from the financial world that you live in Russia
are enough for me.

On another note 14-16 months ago somebody came with the news that Russia is giving citizenship after a not-too-long residency period, and I was ridiculed when I mentioned the possibility of the military service...

Here is an excellent article about what people in the Baltics learnt about Russians in their past 100 years - „Human Life Has No Value There“: Baltic Counterintelligence Officers Speak Candidly About Russian Cruelty

And no hard feeling on my side

 

[jafo]

Confiscation risk

Not to be contrarian but every country (East, West, North, South, socialist, communist, capitalist, catholic, potestatnt, muslim etc etc) in the world does this. Some are upfront about it others are more devious/stealth and cloak it under the color and ruse of "law"

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/

We Europeans do it too:

I have a few part-time students (interns) that continue to build a site/database for me with corruption data, injustice data, articles, and case laws around the world. Naming names, following those that do it etc etc. I started working on it since the mid-80s when I noticed it. I started using dBase and then moved to FoxBase etc etc. for those who are also programmers (they'll know).

After what happened to Assange, I am NOT interested in publishing anything. I'll keep building it as a reminder of how corrupt the world is. It keeps me on my toes and agile.

This knowledge has saved me from countless run-ins with the "law". I won't defend ANY regime regardless of the "Halloween costume" they are wearing.

Peace, wealth, & health to you, my friend!

 

[lacomaco]

Not to be contrarian but every country (East, West, North, South, socialist, communist, capitalist, catholic, potestatnt, muslim etc etc) in the world does this. Some are upfront about it others are more devious/stealth and cloak it under the color and ruse of "law"

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Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/

We Europeans do it too:

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I have a few part-time students (interns) that continue to build a site/database for me with corruption data, injustice data, articles, and case laws around the world. Naming names, following those that do it etc etc. I started working on it since the mid-80s when I noticed it. I started using dBase and then moved to FoxBase etc etc. for those who are also programmers (they'll know).

After what happened to Assange, I am NOT interested in publishing anything. I'll keep building it as a reminder of how corrupt the world is. It keeps me on my toes and agile.

This knowledge has saved me from countless run-ins with the "law". I won't defend ANY regime regardless of the "Halloween costume" they are wearing.

Peace, wealth, & health to you, my friend!

We basically agree, the article I sent shows the sociology of their society - found very enlightening. Wishing the same to you! Good to sort out matters this way

 

[JohnnyDoe]

No, I never was accused by anything serious in any parts of the world.

Fortunate as you may be, your fortune comes with an unfortunate side, for such exepriences unveil the true essence of what we refer to as the "state”.

 

[lacomaco]

Fortunate as you may be, your fortune comes with an unfortunate side, for such exepriences unveil the true essence of what we refer to as the "state”.

My comment had nothing to to do with the Western world, I just wanted to mention some disadvantages nothing more nothing less. I was ridiculed 18 months ago when I said that military service might be a problem... But why should I care? I have no problem if you move to Moscow, enjoy life! But do not complain please if something goes wrong